Oct 232009
Just watched this on iPlayer and found it largely disappointing.
They got the BNP’s Nick Griffin on, but never really let him respond to contentious questions amidst shouting and well rehearsed rhetoric from Jack Straw. The audience was utterly biased. I have a bit of sympathy with his comment that it was a lynch mob to be honest.
Not much else to say. Bit boring really.
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I made a comment in the local rag earlier and of course it was deleted.
‘The BBC let themselves down last night, I would have liked to hear what Mr Griffin had to say about his party’s policy’s but their behaviour was disgraceful. I pay my TV licence and I decide what I want to watch and listen to, I don’t want to listen to BBC Asian radio but I don’t have a problem with those that do.’
What is so bad with the above comment? Of course the arse wipe local rag will not allow hard working, white, hetrosexual, law abiding, tax paying British people have an opinion!
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I’m just going to watch it now, from what I have heard it sounds like a complete set-up. It wasn’t a case of the BBC offering ‘impartiality’ to all and sundry it was a case of let’s get Griffin on here and let the audience, panel rip him to shreds. QT is just like a pantomine these days. I just saw the first question now and there is no way the audience member came up with it, it was clearly preset by the producers. Really nobody gets to ask the questions they want to ask. I totally agree Straw seems to have his lines well prepared.
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Its backfired, a poll has revealed that22% of people would seriously consider voting BNP.
That cunt strwa is as nearly as oily as that cunt Marsden.
I wanted a debate on the issues and got a pantomine of paedos picking on a kid.
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I’m sure all the other rascists found it unpleasant too. It exposed Griffin for the idiotic, racist, homophobics holocaust denying tosser that he is. I too have no time for Straw either. Straw has been the BNP’s best recruitment officer. Griffin wanted the opportunity to put his case across, he got it but he blew it!
Its time we had a proper debate about immigration in this Country, if for no other reason than to silence those on the left (BNP) and those on the right (UKIP)
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I wouldnt say hes homophobic, if I saw 2 men kissing in public, it would make me feel “creepy” but that doesnt mean that I would want to discriminate against them or wish them any harm.I would defend their right to kiss in public in fact, however “creepy” it would make me feel.But I object to having homosexuality being thrust upon me via the PC brigade.Live and Let live I say.
Its a bit like smokers and smoking,I find smoking repulsive but I dont wish smokers any harm etc.
Honest yes, homophobic, No.
I hate Nulabour and I hate Tory, both parties stand for nothing and fall for everything.
We will never get a proper debate on immigration as long as we have that odious ideology of Political Correctness.
Another reason why people vote BNP, the PC brigade.
Tory = Labour = Scum-cunts.
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The payback for 20 years of PC and ignoring peoples interests:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/latest-national-news/One-in-five-would-back.5763380.jp
Whilst I did vote BNP in June as a protest, my politics is much closer to UKIP,either way the mainstream is rotten and its time they got told that in an election.
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Labour are the main reason for the rise of the BNP, although the other 2 useless parties have to share some of the blame for not being active enough in opposition.
Heres why.
1) Wars based upon lies, billions wasted with many lives lost, and terrorists created into the bargain, not giving soldiers enough support and the right equipment.
2) Uncontrolled immigration,bogus aslyum claims, ignoring reasonable pleas to reduce it or labelling those pleaing as ,”racist”,ignoring warnings about fundametalist Islam as we all have to embrace “diversity”, in the name of “equality”.
3) Political correctness and reduction in individual freedoms, creation and expansion of a nanny/bully state.
4) STATE driven multi-cultralism which has caused towns to split along ethnic lines, obsession with minority rights at the expense of the majority, no English parliament, no St Georges day bank holiday.
5) Labours desire to hand us over to the EU, destroying or sense of identity and sovereignty; Blair will be our UNELECTED persident
6) Cosying up to bankers, handing over OUR money whilst they still get MASSIVE bonuses for wrecking the economy! and ignoring working class towns suffering through mass immigration, i.e. reduced services, housing provisions etc.
and finally Harriet Harman’s plans to give jobs to ethnic minorities against white applicants (dressed up as positive action) will be the best vote winner the BNP could wish for, all gift wrapped at that!
So to sum up the BNP are very happy about having a labour goverment in power, as they have and continue to give them votes, through their perverse policies.
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Here is a copy of my response to your comment on the Gasjet site, just as a backup before some knob deletes it, I’m amazed our comments have lasted as long as they have.
Very well said Harold, of course on whatever planet Gruntshaw and Croysdill live on we lived in some kind of post-apocalyptic wasteland before L!ebour came in in 1997 and now we live in a perfect utopia where the economy is in safe hands. Labour inherited a strong economy and a good balance sheet and sqaundered it so Grunshaw don’t you dare blame the Tories when your party has been destroying our country for 12 years. I just hope the people of Lancaster and Fleetwood have the sense not to vote Grunshaw in, you’ll regret it.
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Agreed Cuntshaw is pure slime, Ben Wallace is a good bloke, hes the best MP Wyre has had and hes conservative, although not a tory supporter I believe hes a good bloke.
Paul maynard seems like a good un as well, Cuntshaw is pure fetid odious filth.
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I think Ben Wallace seems like a good guy, a genuinely proactive MP, I am saying that disregarding his party. Marsden I hate not just because he’s Labour but because he’s useless and shows no committment to Blackpool. I sincerely hope though that Lancaster and Fleetwood don’t elect Gruntshaw and his misguided rants. He is just a career politician as shown by his always politcally charged letters (rants) in the Gazette. Like I said the other day even when he wrote what seemed like a touching tribute to the NHS he ruined it by then going all political and thanking it all to a Labour Government. His letters are just proof he is nothing but a career politician.
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yes hes scum, period.
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Lancster & Fleetwood WILL elect Grunshaw. He`s born and bred in Fleetwood.
Ollerenshaw is a Londoner ( and a GAY one at that )
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TORIES GET ELECTED
RESULT:- Trueblackpuddlian is one of the thousands of NHS staff to be fired.
Maybe its just worth the pane the Tories would cause to see this Village Idiot on the dole whilst claiming its not my Tories fault.
Wow what a jerk this moron is
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I thought it was dull beyond belief… Not completely unexpected.
Peter Hain, as ever, is talking shite. The BBC isn’t entirely to blame for a ‘BNP bounce’ – it’s the likes of him (a bent and crooked politician, by the way) and the ‘political establishment’ who are to blame, for their complacency, incompetence and sheer brass neck at being dishonest and corrupt. He just doesn’t get it. He’s as nasty and bullying as they are by wanting to censor them and keep people from hearing what they have to say.
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Yes having any political party on the BBC so that the BBC are in support of them. Just like allowing the Labour party on or the Conservatives, or the Lib Dem, or SNP…….Oh what a silly comment that is.
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Eh?
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well said NQH, Peter Piss stain Hain is a cunt.
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the truth at last!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Ex-Government-Adviser-Andrew-Neather-Says-Mass-Immigration-To-UK-Was-Deliberate/Article/200910415414170?lpos=Politics_First_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15414170_Ex-Government_Adviser_Andrew_Neather_Says_Mass_Immigration_To_UK_Was_Deliberate_
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After watching QT last night, it was just a blatant attempt to throw Nick Griffin to the lions not about offering a level platform to all parties. I just wish people would give that pompous socialist prick George Galloway as much of a hard time when he appears on QT with his nonsensical misguided outdated rants. It was as big a joke as the ‘Labour Leadership contest’ episode. All the contenders did all the way through was not debate but praise each other’s ineptitude, it was a total sham like last night. I am not a BNP supporter but I feel he deserves a fair trial and I have to say he was spot on about how he said in our PC society ‘Scottish are Scottish’ ‘Welsh are Welsh’ etc etc but ‘English are British’. I think that is racism against English people.
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Griffins appearance was never about offering “a level platform for all parties” The BBC felt legally obliged to include Griffin on a programme. They fulfilled their obligation. That obligation didn’t stretch to being “fair” to him and why the hell should it! Griffin has been pandering lies for years, this was an opportunity to expose some of those lies and to show Griffin as the rascist, homophobe that he is.
All you right wingers are complaining because you think the BNP should be treated fairly, like the “established” political parties. This is bollox! The BNP are a rascist party! FACT!
They need to be exposed as the bigots they are.
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I dont think they need exposing – it has been done countless times already and we know Nick Griffin has said a lot of openly racist stuff in the last 25 years or so.
However, it cannot be denied that people are drawn to his apparent defence of Englishness and the rejection of this constant appeasement of minorities at the expense of the majority. It’s like the whole banning of Christmas and banning of St. George’s flags to appease moaning muslims.
It is often said that to join the Police, you have more chance if you are a transsexual muslim lesbian of Afghan descent than Average White Bloke. They have targets for recruiting ethnic groups. How is that not racial discrimination?
How is it not racist for public sector jobs to be actively given to ethnic groups for the sole reason that their family descended from somewhere other than England?
Debates on immigration.. yeah we probably need one. But it needs to be one that offers views of all aspects, not a predetermined outcome that praises the Government and says what a jolly good job they are doing.
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spot on Phil, excellent answer, nu labour is a racist party!
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Very well put Phil I totally agree its like there was a debate a few years back abot Tesco. They had scottish and welsh products like meat, cheese etc with the St Andrews/St Davids flag on the packet. But any English products like cheddar cheese had a Union Jack, I think that is racist in itself. Also I totally disapprove of so-called ‘positive’ discrimination like setting quotas for minority groups, I think that is racism against the majority. Jobs should be given on the basis of merit to the most suitable candidate not the most PC candidate who meets the targets.
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Jobs should be given on the basis of merit to the most suitable candidate not the most PC candidate who meets the targets.
well said TB, try telling that bitch-whore Harriet Harman that!
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I would love to tell her what a sexist, feminist whore she really is to her face. Why can’t the public services just accept that people from ethnic minorities maybe don’t want to join the police or fire service etc instead of reserving jobs for these people the most capable and able candidates should get the jobs.
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Grief Trueblackpuddlian, you really are the village idiot
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Its Zanu labour’s social engineering policy and its fuelling ethno nationalism,if I were Nick Griffin , I would thank Nu Labour for getting me elected as an MEP and the way things are going, even BNP mps.
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I kinda agree with the comments about Englishness. I too hate the PC brigade with a vengeance, that doesn’t mean i’m gonna suck up to the nearest rascists!
If Griffin is so quintessentially English then how comes he lives in Wales???
If TB is unhappy that his Party aren’t putting forward the type of policies he wants then it is time that he:
1. Persuades his Party to adopt those policies or…..
2. Leave that Party and join one that does share his views.
From the saintly and single-minded idealist to the fanatic is often but a step.
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I never said I am unhappy with my party, I am with the party that best represents my views already. I do wish more major parties would respect Englishness and the Conservatives actually are considering banning Scottish MPs from voting on English legislation (long overdue!). I can’t support UKIP because I don’t like their stance on the smoking ban and I would never vote for Hamish. I would support English Democrats but we don’t have a local candidate. Also I want Marsden out so I plan to vote tactically to get him out.
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Trueblackpuddlian = incompetent idiot
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troobloo I am frustrated and amazed at the tories failure to pick up on these issues, if they had,then more people would vote Tory and less for BNP.
David Camron is ultra PC to the point of nauseaum.
I do not believe the Conservative party is any longer conservative; in name only.
Hence the rise in popularity of UKIP and the BNP.
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on the button there Harold!
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Hi troobloo.
Can you explain why the conservaties have ditched conservatism?
Its why people are migrating to the BNP who do have strong conservative views but coupled with traditional labour left wing economics, hence the appeal to disaffected labour and tory voters and particular working class conservatives like Alf Garnet, lol
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I reckon it’s the Blair effect. When that Cheshire cat appeared in the mainstream, he effectively grabbed all the working class left wingers and shrouded Old Labour under a centre left umbrella.
People voted against the Tories for sleaze not policy, so Blair nicked their policies and provided an alternative: a fairly conservative party with an appealing looking figurehead that wasn’t called the Conservative Party and didn’t have any visible “toff” links so “working class” people felt an association as well.
Now that Gordon ‘Old Labour’ Brown is in, this umbrella is leaking and we can see the Old Labour cracks appearing as well as the return of the twice-sacked Peter Mandelson who will get in bed with anyone for the right price. For example, during the Blair years everyone believed the rhetoric that Gordon Brown was a prudent chancellor, but without Blair and his artillery of spin and smokescreens he has been revealed as the most irresponsible chancellor of all time.
He has hammered the middle classes to spend big in the public sector but with absolutely no benchmarking of investment vs improvement.
My idea of the Conservative approach would have been a properly managed investment achieving greater efficiency by change in procedure and management rather than just flooding the public sector with cash and setting a load of targets that jeopardise the quality of service.
PCSOs are another example of Labour’s dilution of proper public services by inventing new non-jobs and costing the taxpayer billions in unnecessary cash. Why they didn’t keep it simple and just employ half as many real Police officers I really do not know.
And then we have the nannying that Labour has introduced into our society. One trivial thing in particular that really annoys me is the free TV licence for people over the age of 75. I don’t know about you, but if I were in that boat I’d rather have the money. Same for the winter fuel allowance. But Labour have taken this choice away in order to control what you can and can’t have. If they scrapped all this bollocks and merged these things with the state pension they could then scrap the Free TV License Department and the Winter Fuel Allowance Department and all the associated administration.
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Agree totally about PCSOs total non-jobs waste of taxpayers, I sneer at them whenever I see them wandering round or usually stood around chatting. Also Labour supporters are always keen to claim the Winter Fuel Allowance as an ‘achievement’ but I have often heard of people who are abusing the system like benefits and spending it on what they like. Surely giving them direct discounts on energy bills would be a fairer system.
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Pcsos are a waste of space, much like ZANULabour, period.
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This is more like it!
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100015291/we-must-outlaw-political-correctness-as-ruthlessly-as-it-has-trampled-on-our-liberties/
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It’s generally a fallacy that people are voting or considering voting for the BNP because of the Conservatives’ abandonment of conservative politics (whatever’s been left, anyway).
There are twice as many BNP supporters from Labour as there are Conservative and something like only 2% who were formerly Lib Dems. Again, most BNP supporters come from families that have traditionally supported Labour (something like 25% of them).
By far, though, most BNP supporters – around 60% of them – are people who haven’t previously supported a party and/ or voted.
The paradox is however, that far-left parties like the BNP do less well with Conservatives in government. In the 1980s, the groundswell of support for the National Front fizzled out when Thatcher came to power – yet there was nothing extreme about her policies on immigration.
The problem David Cameron and the Conservatives face is that they can only really persuade people who will actually go out and vote. There might be a ‘conservative’ bedrock of the population, however if only a minority of them will vote, the Conservatives will need to look elsewhere for votes – this means platitudes aimed at floating voters that conservatives and liberals (proper liberals) may not be entirely comfortable with.
Take, for example, the enfranchisement of over half of the country in receiving money from the state – whether it’s through benefits or employment. It might be appealing to say “we’ll withdraw Tax Credits” and “let’s get rid of a load of bureaucrats in the NHS”, but that sort of thing could well motivate a Labour vote, without stimulating any sort of Conservative vote – regardless of whether or not it is the right thing to do.
It’s difficult, it’s frustrating and it’s dispiriting and I accept that, but it is sadly a reflection of the reality of the ‘client state’ we are in. Conservatives – whether or not they’re with a big ‘C’ or a small ‘c’ – face an uphill struggle against the machine that Labour has created for itself. We can’t make the giant leap needed to get to where we want to be. It’s going to take many, many steps and mis-steps to get there.
I don’t like Cameron and I don’t trust him, but he’s astute and he has been shown the numbers that I most of us won’t have seen. He knows what he has to say to win votes.
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Both the Conservatives and Labour have repositioned themselves into the centre ground normally occupied by the LibDems. On the right UKIP have managed to fill the gap but on the left there is no in England other than the BNP. Scotland has the SNP and Wales have Plaid but in England we are just left with the rascist homophobic BNP.
The problem for Labour is that if they try to appeal to the left they risk losing out to the Conservatives so they are doing nowt! In places like Burnley and Oldham the Lib Dems seem to have the measure of the BNP and are making inroads. If the Labour party do go down the Proportional Representation road then this is likely to result in one or two BNP MP’s.
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They (the BBC) ” fulfilled their obligation. That obligation didn’t stretch to being “fair” to him and why the hell should it!”
It should stretch to being fair as the BBC is supposed to be impartial. You may think the BNP is racist and you could be right – but it is not up to the unelected BBC officials to skew political debate one way or another. If that is allowed we will have governments decided by officials in the BBC and what it chooses to report rather than a fair platform for ALL parties.
The unpalatable truth to these parties is that a fair number of BNP voters aren’t racists. The only reason Griffin is an MEP is because people are fed up with “equality” laws that don’t promote equality but preference to one or more cherished minority groups within our existing population and we are having “multi-culturalism” forced upon us (rather than integration) by large influxes of immigrants.
Do I want “travellers” able to land on greenbelt land and put up housing whilst other groups can’t do the same thing? No. Do I want social engineering to choose who carries out public services and stands as an MP candidate on sex, sexuality or race? No. I want purely the best person for a job and everyone who is a citizen of this country to be given equal rights, opportunities and responsibilities, regardless of what they are. And until this is the aim of mainstream parties I will continue to consider voting again for the BNP.
I think it’s very hard to understand why people turn to the BNP until you’ve actually lived in areas of large non-white populations who have formed “communities” and are completely separate from the town’s society by their own choice. Multi-culturalism is a terrible thing – we should allow people to practice any religion that doesn’t go against our laws and we should allow them equal rights – but forming a completely different social indentity within a town and refusing to mix is another. And it would be nice for once if so-called do gooders who know nothing about what these communities are like because they haven’t lived within them for decades like I have done, would appreciate that you don’t have to have a white skin to be racist.
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Full applause to Frustrated, well said sir.
Fuck political correctness.
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excellent article on the uber fascist EU.
http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/?p=1671#more-1671
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I only just watched QT I had heard a lot about it how Nick was ambushed but I don’t know why anyone was surprised. Have anyone ever watched this show in the past remember the poll taxes shows or the anti Iraq war shows.
As for what damaged this has or hasn’t done the BNP that’s a good question I don’t think anyone has learnt anything new about the BNP. Did Nick Griffin put up a good show on QT? I think not. I think he told some bold face lies and was called on them but was allowed to drift on as if lying completely acceptable.
Some of his lies are as follows:-
NG said that the national press has printed mostly lies about him when asked to name some he said “there was too many to go into”. What I think is wrong with this statement is that if the national press has told so many lies about him then tell us what they are, QT is the best time to do this, and then sue the papers concerned, George Galloway has made pots of money by doing this and now papers only print stories about him that they can prove. So that’s why I think most of what the papers has printed about him is true.
NG was asked about his views on the Holocaust because in the past he said that it didn’t happen. NG response was he couldn’t because of “EU law”. There is no such law in the EU which stops people denying the Holocaust so once again any reasonable person most think he is lying.
NG said that trips to the lakes were stopped because only white people went on them. When he was called a liar about this instead of offering proof to prove his point he shut up. Once again a reasonable person most come to the conclusion he is lying.
NG said that 86% of the British public supported the BNP immigration policy. There is no survey or opinion poll which supports this.
Now to look at some of his comments which aren’t lies and are just his personal views:-
NG said, to score some points that Jack Straws dad spent the war years in prison because he was a Conscientious Objectors and NG dad was in the RAF. By all accounts NG dad spent the war very secure in a desk job in middle England. Now JS dad instead of joining the forces in a safe non combat job, which was offered to all Conscientious Objectors, he went to prison because he couldn’t go against his principals. I wish we had more people in public service that would do this.
NG said that two men kissing in public was creepy that’s a personal view and it’s a homophobic view because it’s implying that there is something abnormal about this practice. NG also said that he has brought the BNP forward because they no longer want to outlaw homosexuality. They just want to keep it behind close door like a dirty little secret you should be ashamed of, and of cause the next step would be banning it, this is in no way homophobic is it?
NG also said that the KKK that he is associated with “was mostly non violent”. I thought you were violent or not its sort of a black and white thing. Or does NG think a bit of violence is alright if it gets you what you want?
My view is that the other panellist did not do a good enough job to discredit NG because in my view it seemed to be very easy.
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Well, you’re right on that last point, the panel was rubbish and it ended up being a battle of rhetoric.
Jack Straw had his well rehearsed rant at the start to whip the audience of ethnic minorities into a frenzy, and from then on it was question after question about the various quotes Nick Griffin is supposed to have made (mostly many years ago).
A quick Google tells you that whilst holocaust denial is not an offence in the UK, it is in most of Europe. I don’t know what the implications would be for his “job” as a MEP if he were to deny it on Question Time but I suspect they wouldn’t be favourable for him.
On the 86% thing, I suspect 86% support the idea of immigration quotas and limits, but based on skills and how they could benefit the UK rather than whether they’re black or not. That’s how places like Australia do it, and if you don’t fit their criteria then you dont even get to set foot on land.
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I take your point over jack straw he was rubbish but NG said he was misquoted by the national newspapers he didn’t say the quotes were old and he no longer reflexes his opinion now. So in short he was lying. The problem I have with NG he did seem to change his view on far right policies overnight.
As for the holocaust denial he no longer denies it he believes the holocaust did happen or at least he’s says he does.
I think you are right about the 86% and I do agree with the point system myself but I don’t agree with much else of the BNP immigration policies.
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Sura 9.5 “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters where ever you find them.”
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The white people Lake district thing I read about at the time. Bowland and Penine Mountain Rescue Team were denied lottery funding because minorities didn’t go rambling. And they’d been part of the Morecambe Bay cockle pickers rescue as well. At the same time a lifeboat organisation (Severn) was denied funding because they tended to rescue whites (because minorities didn’t tend to go sailing). Must be on an internet search somewhere if you want to check.
There probably is a poll asking if immigration should be controlled somewhere with that statistic. In fact depending on the question asked I’d hazard a guess that a results of 1% to 100% inclusive can be found on that issue so I wouldn’t assume it was wrong per se.
I don’t think men should be kissing in public if children are likely to be there. A very different thing in a gay district at night though I still don’t understand why heterosexuals aren’t having sex in public very much but it’s ok for day men to in the dunes opposite Pontins Blackpool and under the bridge at Canal Street in Manchester. I’d ban the teaching of sex in schools until secondary school. Where’s the line between sex being a dirty little secret and being a private issue between two people rather than a display to the world? I don’t see why people want gay pride displays. I don’t want heterosexual ones either. Sexualisation of society in any way is unacceptable.
Bit Fed Up I think like the other panelists on QT and the audience there you are looking for what he said to confirm your views rather than looking at what he said in an unbiased manner and seeing what was there. Nick Griffin is not stupid. He is very careful to ensure that his comments are within the law.
If Nick Griffin is a racist (and he was in the National Front so we have to assume it’s a possibility but fairly accepting he may have changed) then the way to defeat him is to give him enough rope to hang himself, not make up what you wanted to see. Of course if more mainstream parties really did face up to the mass immigration problem and stop telling people that theyshouldn’t vote for him, few would be listening to him in any event.
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I can’t find anything on the internet about lottery funding being denied because only white people were using it (welsh choir comes to mind).
NG was very specific about saying 86% of the people supported the BNP immigration policy, which is clearly not correct.
I don’t understand your leap from man kissing in public for it to be permissible for them to be having sex anywhere they want.
I did look into NG answers more then any other of the panellists for two reasons. The first being that QT lets questions the BNP show, which they did very badly. The second reason is because the other panellists were so bland and rubbish that I can’t be arsed thinking about the rubbish they said.
As for your last paragraph I sort of agree we should find out why people are voting for the BNP is it because we are a xenophobic country?
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I am against mass immigration for many reasons – and xenophobia isn’t one of them. Having said that though I don’t want the country to lose it’s Englishness and it’s identity and I do think those coming to this country should show some integration to it. It’s not about colour, race or religion but it is about not cutting yourselves away into a little community that doesn’t mix and looks down its nose at the indigenous population – which has been happening with Pakistani Muslims in some of the milltowns here. Not all of them obviously and I wouldn’t assume anything until I knew them at a personal level. And I don’t even blame those that congregate into communities of their own for that. Or for the postal vote rigging that went on by taking the votes of non-English speaking wives, and the fix ups by community leaders as to which streets they would buy up and at what price etc. It is afterall just what they were doing in Pakistan before they came here. The problem lies with our government and councils and “multiculturalism”. Their cultures have been treated as preferential to those of indigenous English at times and that’s not right. They’ve at times not been prosecuted for crimes so as not to offend a “community” that likes to take control of its own. I want pure equality so everyone is treated the same way and I also want some integration so that the general English way of life isn’t affected by immigration.
And when it comes to these “communities” it’s not just a non-white issue. In Spain there are English ex pats doing this as well and it’s just not ok anywhere. I respect that every country should have it’s own identity. But somewhere along the line we’ve turned to English is bad and every other culture is good.
I had a Sri Lankan partner for a couple of decades who was very dark whilst I’m very white. She was proud to be Sri Lankan and was proud of her heritage and loved showing me around her country and I feel the same about here. Why can’t we have this here? Why is every defence of the English way of life seen as an automatic front against others?
I voted for Nick Griffin at the European Elections and I’d do so again in the same circumstances because no-one else is standing up for the English way of life. That doesn’t mean I would ever want a BNP government or people of another race to my own to be treated unfairly. The BNP knows this, and that’s why the policies have been made more voter friendly. The other parties need to sort the issues then few will vote for someone they think could be racist.
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Nobody in this country wants mass immigration I think that can be taken as read. However the question is do we feel that the BNP will deliver their voter friendly policies and do we know what the BNP polices are? What we do know is the BNP are peddlers of lies and most of what they say about immigration and indigenous people is driven by race and colour. Net immigration in this is and has been for several years is a negative gain (in other words more people leave this country then comes in). What concerns me about the BNP is their notion of repatriation of foreign nationals and their willingness to blame everything on Islam (NG quotes on the evil of the Koran on QT are poor because there are just as bad quotes in the bible if you want to look).
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Splendid words Frustrated!
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Prophet Muhammad was a paedophile and terrorist-historical fact.
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Was Muhammad a paedophile by 21st century standards yes but can we impose our modern standards on Muhammad no accredited historian would. It may or may not be of interest to you that in 1886 you would only be considered a paedophile if you had relations with a girl under six years old. Over time (and we are talking of hundreds of years in this case) morals change and you can’t compare morals from one age to another.
Was Muhammad a Terrorist? Muhammad forbade murder and the killing of innocents, and never used terror as a weapon in his struggles. Was he a leader of people who made war and effective wars on his enemies yes without doubt but does this make him a terrorist no? just because we call someone a terrorist doesn’t make it so after all Gandhi was called a terrorist. You could call Winston Churchill terrorist and a war criminal and supply some fairly damaging evidence to support this view however the evidence you would give would be fairly one-sided and taken out of context of the time and situation he was in.
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Muhammad murdered Christians and Jews who refused to convert or submit to Islam
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/treaty.html
Little wonder that Islam has such a defined streak of violence,its fascism dressed up as religion, hence its meaning “to submit”
Its a wicked vicious faith.
Muhammad was a paedophile and terrorist, period.
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Your grasp of history is poor.
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Really?
Why?
and yours isnt?
Just becuase my grasp of history isnt PC doesnt mean that its poor.
Islam = Fascism.
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No I don’t think your grasp of history is poor because it’s not PC I know its poor because you state historical fact when it isn’t at best its historical opinion. You claim Muhammad is a paedophile historical fact well it’s not for a start there was no paedophilic laws at the time so there was no laws to break. It’s rule 101 of history that you can’t apply modern morals, standards or laws to history particularly when you go this far back. Was Muhammad a terrorist well that is again up for historical debate it’s not historical fact by a long way, if you compare what was happening at the same time and how others in his situation where behaving was his behaviour abnormal. If you apply these standards then you couldn’t call Muhammad a terrorist its nothing to do with being PC it’s about the standard norms of historical study.
Islam = fascism is your opinion and nothing to do with the grasp of history.
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Rule 101, which book is that then?
author?
are you a mudslum?
Well heres someone who is a historical expert on Islam and you will, after reading his work live up to your name and more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sr%C4%91a_Trifkovi%C4%87
Muhammad was a paedophile and terrorist: Fact.
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You have no grasp of history or anything else for that matter, but hey stay in your little PC bubble and enjoy your PC delusions.
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“Serge Trifkovic writes a calm and thoughtful tome… [H]e is arguing that a significant number of people subscribe to militant Islam, and that such militancy is a natural result of following the actual teachings of Muhammad and the Koran… If you want to wrestle with harsh truths rather than PC fiction, this book is a good place to start,” concludes Steven Greenhut in The Orange County Register.[7]
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Serge Trifkovic do you know anything about this mans past what he did what he defended and still does defended? You are mad to use him to prove your point.
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You just cant accept that Islam is a religion whose teachings involve hatred,intolernace and violence, founded by a paedo terrorist who was a monster.Its not just a religion but a different value system, awhole way of life that is in opposition to western values.Its vile.
It has to go from this country and the sooner the better.
I look forward to that very day.
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a Terrorist.
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yes well said now go back to your BNP comics
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yes you are obviously familar with them,avid reader I see.
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Jesus by contrast was a man of peace and led no armies to slaughter Jews and Chritians.Islam was spread at the point of a sword through terror by paedo terrorist Muhammad.
When a muslim commits an atrocity in the name of Islam, he is actually doing it in the FULFILMENT of Islam.
It is a medieval, woman hating,freedom fearing fascistic political ideology with a concentrated streak of marxism at its centre.
It has no place in western society, except in the toilet of history.
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You have to wonder why people set up and live in their own communities and don’t mix with us English.
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“You have to wonder why people set up and live in their own communities and don’t mix with us English.”
Simple, because they have no intention of but want the benefits of living in a western society and our government doesnt encourage them to, through state driven multicultralism,hence the mess today.
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You have to wonder why people set up and live in their own communities and don’t mix with us English?
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So all together now, the mantra:
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a Terrorist.
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You have to wonder why people set up and live in their own communities and don’t mix with us English????
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Simple, because they have no intention of;period.They want the benefits of living in a western society as our government doesnt encourage them to integrate any way, due to state driven multicultralism,which has produced the mess we have today.
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A bit of a simple view of it over all although partly right. If you look at the influx of black immigrants in the 70′s some of the same stuff was raised but the difference is allot of the immigrants where PROUD to become British. While keeping some of there culture they still merged with the population. This was a good thing for Britain, diversity is the spice of life to an existent.
These days? Well, Yes there are plenty of Muslim / Arab immigrants who have moved here that work hard, speak English, live in decent house and i would say are as British as they need to be but there are also allot of people that move here to take advantage of the county. They DONT learn English, they don’t mix outside of there insular communities or integrate with mainstream UK culture.
Why? Well many reason, a few being:
Fear
Language barrier
Ignorance
High mindedness
Religion
Media
Us ‘English’ are not without some blame but in all honesty THEY MOVED HERE, so the burden of fitting in and becoming British is on them. If they fail at it or are detrimental to our culture they should be shipped out. The government are total fuck ups when it comes to protecting OUR culture though; as so far as to allow some ‘Sharia Law’ to be used inside some of those insular communities.
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