Every time the British National Party visits Blackpool and the surrounding area, the Government-funded left wing student activists called Unite Against Fascism come out in force to “protest”.
Usually, this means violence against any BNP member or associate as well as irritating chanting of things like “smash the BNP”.
The other day the BNP held a meeting at a community hall in Cleveleys and again the standard UAF rhetoric is reeled off. Apparently the BNP should be banned, according to UAF. I find this quite ironic really, given that banning legitimate political parties is the fora of openly fascist regimes such as those of Mr Hitler himself and Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe.
It was particularly amusing that some local anti-BNP activists chose that particular night (probably the only night in their life they have been) to go to the community hall because they knew they’d be turned away. Apparently this is a really terrible thing because it’s a community hall for all and not just for the BNP. Yeah, if you overlook the fact that the BNP booked it and it was a BNP meeting for BNP members. If it were the Tories or Labour it wouldn’t have been any different.
People are swaying towards the BNP because they are one of the few parties that has policies to benefit Average White Bloke and doesn’t want us to get dragged into the United States of Europe. I don’t think that’s inherently racist, nor do I think having controlled immigration (as the USA and Australia do) is racist.
Sure, the BNP doesn’t like people that walk into the UK and start sponging off the state. I don’t either. Doesn’t matter what colour they are, though, and the policies of the BNP don’t make that distinction either. I am fully aware that there are plenty of legitimate, hard working, tax paying immigrants. Nobody has an issue with those that contribute to society.
I think the likes of the UAF (who are funded by Labour and fuelled by their left wing propaganda) are just scared that people might reject this wishy washy non-Government that exists to serve itself and funnel billions into public sector black holes (and over £100k in dodgy expenses into Jacqui Smith’s bank account)…
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UAF are true fascists seeing as they are trying to suppress free speech like the comment deleting twat(s) on the Gazette.
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They certainly are! But they’re too stupid to realise that. Maybe they haven’t been taught what fascism means yet.
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Precisely most people I find that go around using the word ‘fascist’ don’t even have any concept of what it actually means. Like on the Gazette everytime there is any smoking ban related article all the usual pro-smoking bigots come on denouncing the ban as ‘fascist’ when they clearly don’t even know the bloody word means because public health legislation with strong public support is anything but fascism.
But what really really annoys me about lefties and socialists is the self-righteous attitude towards right wing parties or righties like me calling us ‘rabid’ and ‘nasty’ acting as though being right-wing is something to be ashamed of. And that lefties are all perfect people who can ascend into heaven with a clean soul. Give me strength.
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Meeting the UAF
On Tuesday night, whilst walking my 8 dogs and 3 tortoise,I encountered a scruffy,dirty mob of ranting and raging vagrants holding anti BNP placards outside the centre.The reek of human excrement and urine was truly staggering, with people shreaking how an Islamic state in Britain was the only way forward as British people were racist and cowards.
One woman who claimed that Rasputin had raped her, was spinning around , foaming at the mouth like an amphetamine crazed dervish, and was screaming for the rights of foreign immigrant paedophiles to be given priority over British Citizens as part of diversity and “inclusiveness”; especially when it came to housing allocations.
Another man in a concrete wheelchair who claimed to have had a love affair with Myra Hindley and was curently in love with Peter Sutcliffe, declared that he was a self confessed worshipper of Joseph Stalin.
He demanded (after expressing his shame at being British), that all white people be put on trial for being “racist”, as they were the decendants of slave masters.He also said that eating cat diarohea was the best way to embrace “diversity”.
I walked on into the night, far from the madding crowd, bewildered from the experience of this strange phenomenon.
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Glad you saved that haha
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I’m increasingly annoyed at the UAF. They seem to think it’s ok to say the BNP are racist whilst not having any real evidence to that fact. If you read their policies they aren’t actually racist – protectionist yes, but racist, no.
The most galling experience of UAF propaganda was a spokesman for them (presumably unelected mind you) going on about that man in East Lancashire who stockpiled weapons preparing for civil war. I did follow the court case and it was concluded that this man did genuinely believe there would be civil war and that he had only taken action for self-defence (all the “weapons” were actually attached to the property and planted around it). He was clearly mentally ill with extreme paranoia.
But this UAF spokesman on the BBC News 24 service (or whatever it’s called at the moment) quoted this case (unchallenged) saying that the weapons were for launching attacks on non-whites – something already agreed in the court case as being untrue.
The policies aren’t racist and they aren’t harsh, but I guess the UAF haven’t bothered to read them or think innuendo and smears are the way to democracy. I’m all for them having their say – but that should be based on fact and evidence when they’re given so much press coverage. Not smears and false statements. And certainly not by shouting down anyone’s legal right to express their opinions.
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Brilliant post Phil and I agree with every word.
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I’ve never been a fan of the UAF, who are as much enemies of free expression as their fellow left-wing extremists, the BNP.
I felt that their behaviour earlier in the year, upon the BNP’s election to the European Parliament, was completely retarded – an own goal against their alleged aims and an epic hindrance to those who, like me, argue stridently against the BNP. They have well and truly ceded whatever moral high ground they ever laid claim to.
I know that there are some good people who have supported the UAF – Jon Bamborough being one of them – but I think that Jon’s feelings may be similar to mine when it comes to the UAF undermining the free expression of people they disagree with.
As for whether or not the BNP are racist… I don’t believe for a moment that a large number of their membership (note: not all of their membership) or their policies aren’t racist and detrimental.
It’s easy to say that they aren’t racist and that there’s no proof in their policies to say otherwise, but that’s because Labour did the BNP a huge favour in passing the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006. Without it, the BNP would undoubtedly be more overt in their beliefs and would not have made the progress of being ‘rehabilitated’ in the public’s mind as a ‘non-racist’ party. Under this Labour government, the BNP has thrived. This is the unintended consequence of a state that feels compelled to meddle and control.
Thatcher’s approach of “not giving them the oxygen of publicity” and Labour’s ‘no platform’ policy are outdated and unsuited to dealing with the BNP, which has taken very craftily to the role of ‘underdog’ in British politics – something that tends to play very well with the public.
It’s right that the BNP are being given a seat on Question Time and this is nothing to make a big issue of. It should be handled calmly, rationally and normally – just like every other Question Time. There’s an opportunity to leave the BNP grasping, but with Jack Straw being put up by Labour and Baroness Warsi (useless, gobby shite that she is) being put up by the Conservatives, I’m not hopeful that this will happen. Jack Straw, whilst measured in his answers, will play to his constituents and won’t produce anything more than tired platitudes against ‘racism’ and ‘exposing the BNP as a nasty party full of racists who only represent a minority of people’, whilst Warsi, who is an unelected peer and thus doesn’t have to worry about constituents, will play to the audience (she loves her applause) and pay similar lip service – all without saying anything about the BNP’s policies or trying to say something of substance to the people who have given them their vote in recent years.
The biggest worry for me is that the UAF will somehow disrupt the proceedings, as they have signalled an intention to do so by preventing Nick Griffin from reaching the studio. This will be the biggest own goal for BNP critics, but will also be an enormous affront to democracy and free expression. They cannot be allowed to do this – if they do (whether or not they succeed is immaterial), then the BNP will have the sympathy of a large number of people, all without having earned it.
My own view is that Labour should put up someone like Jon Cruddas, who would be able to skilfully argue an appealing and relatively sincere left-wing position to Nick Griffin. In an ideal world, Dan Hannan would be my ideal Conservative representative – someone who has a meticulous understanding of the BNP and their policies and would be able to tear strips off their manifesto. Unfortunately, Hannan’s downfall is that he is well-spoken and falls in to the ‘toff’ pigeonhole, no matter how progressive his ideas may be.
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NQ couldn’t agree with you more about how to handle this deeply unpleasant party. You are right in what you say go for their week policies and their very discriminatory constitution. What you shouldn’t do (and what the UAF has done in the last 2 years) is just mindlessly call them racist scum.
I do however disagree when you say most of their membership are not racist I would agree a large number of their supporters in elections aren’t racist but I do believe a large number of their card carrying members are.
People are right when they say you should allow free speech no matter who or what they are saying. However free speech does cut both ways and you should also allow people to demonstrate against what they don’t agree with (this labour government seems to be doing their best to stop this in any shape or from) as long as they do it in the boundary of the law.
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I don’t think NQH said that he thought their membership was not racist. Quite the opposite I think!
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Definitely!
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So are you “back” now then?
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It’s tempting!
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I see your points NQH and well expressed they are. Whether the membership is largely racist we won’t know. I’m pretty certain that some will be at least. But then every political party has some very bad eggs in it.
Nick Griffin also has the benefit of being quick thinking and intelligent. A brighter type of debater on Question Time is needed if he is not to gain political capital out of it. Many of our current MPs are unfortuantely as thick as three short planks and only in position due to loyalty to their political leaders.
The UAF are undemocratic and speak a lot of rubbish. They march against the English Democrats’ march against Islamic Extremism (surely something we should all support, not oppose) because “that’s not what they really mean” – the same old cry they have about the BNP. Well I’m afraid that whilst I don’t assume that isn’t true without evidence to the contrary I’m not automatically believing it either.
And the only reason these people are getting more than the tiniest handful of votes is because of how Labour in particular has treated minorities preferentially over whites in deprived areas.
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I think the proportion of ‘racist’ members, or members who see politics through a racial dimension, will have been lower in recent years, but I doubt very much that their core membership or long-term members aren’t racist. This is the party of John Tyndall and Nick Griffin. The roots of the party and its policies are very obviously embedded in racism and anti-homosexuality.
Whilst Tyndall wasn’t particularly savvy, Griffin is much more shrewd and calculating – he can’t be brushed off with ‘racist thug’ comments.
Even catching Griffin off-guard and getting him to say something stupid won’t necessarily play well to the public. I remember the Adam Boulton/ Chris Bryant MP interview with Griffin on Sky News, shortly after it was announced that Griffin had been elected. Whilst they managed to get him to stumble, they also came across as smug and perhaps a bit too arrogant in their questioning – easily a ‘trait’ of the ‘London political and media elite’.
Griffin understands that to play the race card is to be detrimental to the BNP’s advance on power. They play it down not on the principle of being reformed, but because of the pragmatism of winning votes; realpolitik.
Valuable time is being lost by concentrating on this single dimension of the BNP’s beliefs. There are lots of holes in their policies that can easily (and constructively) be picked. Their economic policy is an utter joke, yet I don’t once hear anybody contesting this. Why?
If the UAF are demonstrating against the English Democrats, then they’re really not doing anybody any favours. The EDs aren’t racist, so if the UAF protest against or try to silence them, does that also, in the public’s mind, mean that ‘the BNP might not be that bad’?
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I guess it depends how far back you want to go. Tyndall was the definition of most people’s perception of the BNP but Nick Griffin, on the face of it, isn’t the same.
It can be said, as you have, that he could well be no different and that it’s just that he articulates around the subject amidst the general pomposity of the likes of Boulton.
But you can take most things back to their raw roots and see that they began with violence, with brash and unrefined ideas and with one person’s vision and motivation to push it forward. All religions started like that, for instance, and they aren’t banned.
In answer to your last point, yes, I think that’s exactly how people perceive it.
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UAF advocate legalising child rape.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8305994.stm
Nu labour, the best recruiting saergent for the BNP.
Nu Labour = scum! cunts!
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I see what you what you mean H, Leicester is coming to Blackpool and I’m scared.
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Only twelve million quid. What does that get you, half a tram depot? lol.
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http://www.redwatchonline.org/
check it out, UAF exposed
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lol, theres some seriously diseased repulsive freaks in the UAF; they need to be cured: Euthanasia.
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You can put a rascist in a suit and make him articulate but he is still a rascist. At present, the BNP does not allow Black and asians to be a member of their party.
THAT IS RASCIST!
Period.
End of,
no further discussion needed.
However, the Labour movement are unwittingly (in the main) playing into the hands of the rascist BNP. Most UAF members and supporters are decent people who remember the atrocities that the nazi party in Germany got up to and do not want to see a repeat of it. I was at the demonstration in Cleveleys and on the whole the UAF were very well behaved. Some of language was not to my liking but they didn’t step out of line. Some of the people going into the hall though were very offensive, giving nazi salutes etc…
There was also a petition about next weeks question time going around. I refused to sign this as I believe anyone who is elected has a right to be heard.
As for the BNP using the centre, I believe it is wrong for a political party of any description to use a publicly owned amenity like the community centre for Party Political fundraising. Simon Blackburn has used Walter Robinson Court in Blackpool for similar and that is wrong in my opinion.
I do not however any objections to the centre being used for a public meeting, at which all members of the public are allowed, irrespective of colour.
Why don’t the Conservative party members who come on here under various psuedonyms (you know who you are!!!) supporting the BNP put your real names???
By the way John (TB) the BNP isn’t a right wing party they just share the rascist views held by many right wingers.
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Is that actually the case that non whites are not permitted in the BNP? I know it’s the common view, but is it the truth? I thought they had a few councillors in that were of ethnic origin. But I have nothing to back that up.
Labour is not the party it was 20 years ago and was transformed into a centre party by its leader so what’s to say the BNP cannot/has not done the same? But don’t get me wrong, I’m not interested in policies based on race.
I am however sick of the sleaze and lack of any proper differentiating policies amongst the big three parties.
I am interested in a party that wants to uphold things that I believe in rather than batter me with tax to pay for those that don’t contribute.
I’m interested in a party that wants to dispose of the Lisbon Treaty and reign control of the UK back to Westminster.
I’m interested in a party that stands for British values above all else.
I’m interested in a party that will apply the Castle Doctrine.
I’m interested in a party that will implement recall.
Is that party the BNP? Probably not. But they do encompass one or two of those things and I think voters are inclined to overlook the unpleasant policies they have in order to vote for a party that offers something they actually want.
If people are seen to be moving towards that, it’s a sign that the mainstream parties have failed to engage the public with their manifestos. At the moment they don’t seem to be asking themselves why people are voting BNP – instead choosing send their UAF hit squad round to spew some slogans instead.
I bet if I picked up the big three manifestos right now I would find not a single policy that made me think, “wow, I’ll vote for that”.
One such policy would be the reintroduction of free university education, i.e. the abolition of tuition fees. But I accept it’s going to be difficult to come up with a policy like that when Labour has spent us into oblivion.
At the end of the day the Libs, Tories and Labour can push whatever policies they like but if they are not engaging people with policies that induce visions of a better life in the minds of voters, then people will continue to move to fringe parties including the BNP.
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Under the BNP consitution you have to be white to be a member. However this has been challenged in the law courts and has been up held therefore they will be forced to permit non whites into their party. NG will put the new constitution to the BNP party at their next conference.
As for free tuition fees the lib dems are the only party talking about this but under the present financial difficulties it would seem to be impossible.
If you wish to talk about policies then lets talk about some BNP ones like some of their financial ones. The BNP intended to spend more on the NHS, the armed forces, police and schools and at the same time not reduce spending anywhere else all this without increase taxes. How will they do this, simple pull out of the EU and use this 42 million pounds a day which the UK give to Europe to fund all this. One small problem if we take all the money UK get back from Europe we only give only 11 million pounds a day to the EU. I could go on about the BNP policies because most are half baked and plain stupid when analysed.
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I don’t know whether the policies I listed are BNP ones, but they’re just some things I would be interested in voting for. I accept the BNP economics are bollocks.
I’m not a BNP voter and the only case I would vote for them is if the BNP were up there with enough support to oust Gordon Marsden. It wouldn’t be a vote for the BNP, though, but one against Labour as I despise their dishonesty, spin, sleaze, nest feathering and stealth taxation.
Sure the Liberals might have abolition of tuition fees in their mind, but as you say, it just wont happen in the current climate. That Nick Clegg is a wet lettuce with no presence whatsoever doesn’t help either!
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To be honest – and I don’t know how we’ve got to 29 comments and no mention of them – it sounds like you’d be more aligned with UKIP with the issues you mention.
I’m very interested in talking about the BNP’s policies, because they are bollocks – but talking about them is crowded out by the race dimension of their agenda.
The requirement for Caucasian members is (apparently) in clause two of the BNP’s constitution.
As an example of the racism inherent in the BNP’s agenda, you can see it for yourself in the party’s Statement of Principles: http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09/bnp-unveils-amended-constitution/
Again, the EHRC and Trevor Phillips are being a bunch of knobs about forcing the BNP to accept non-Caucasian members. They’ve played in to their hands and, not having learned the lesson from Labour’s fucked up 2006 legislation, will be helping the BNP along the road of rehabilitation in the public’s mind.
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Well said NQH, Trevor Philips is a marxist cunt and along with his PC acolytes has produced a situation for the BNP to flourish,its paradocical that Philips is the best asset the BNP have interms of he and his cronies have brought about support for the BNP.
I hate him and NU Labour, cunts the lot of them!
First UKIP MPs 2010!!
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I do agree with much of what UKIP says but I don’t like the way they want to amend or overturn the smoking ban and the fact they have that muppet Hamish Howitt as a candidate puts me right off. The English Democrats are another party I would strongly consider. But like I say I plan to vote for whoever can unseat Marsden. With the way the opinion polls are Blackpool South should get wiped out in the Labour meltdown hopefully. I can’t stand the thought of Marsden clinging on.
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No MP is better than that wanker marsden
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I’d read that comment back to yourself again!
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lol yes a double entendre, ok
Having NO MPat all, is better than having that wanker, (Marsden) as our MP.
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lol it gets better: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8311868.stm
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It is actually the case that non-whites are not akllowed to be members of the BNP. The court has ruled that this is illegal so Nick Griffin has called a meeting of his Party Executive to “address” the situation!!!!
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I would love to see free university education restored but the Lib Dems will never get in Government and like others say seems impossible in the current economic climate. It made me laugh once when ‘frustrated of blackpool’ once said to me on the Gazette ‘as a Labour supporter unlike the Tories I believe in free education for all’ is that why Labour brought in tuition fees after lying they wouldn’t and ended the FREE education we got under the Tories?
On Question Time I don’t see why there is such a fuss about Nick Griffin coming on. Like I have said before they allow extremists like George Galloway on there but Nick Griffin gets booed.
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The BNP is a sign of a rotten political establishment, this country needs fresh vision but not headcases,we have had Blair and that was bad enough.
CIVIC Nationalism is the way forward, NOT ETHNO-nationalism.
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Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a paedophile,
Muhammad was a Terrorist.
Geert Wilders is my friend: Deport all mudslums now!
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“Jonbamboro
At present, the BNP does not allow Black and asians to be a member of their party.
THAT IS RASCIST!
Period.
End of,
no further discussion needed”
But (on the articulated idea) Griffin argued that this was only because making the party all one ethnic group allowed its members to appeal against sackings for being in the BNP on legal grounds of ethnicity (albeit “whiteness”). There is a Sikh group aligned to the BNP that agree largely with their policies and co-operate with them.
Now if we didn’t have race relations legislation the world would no doubt be a lot worse, but we would know whether the BNP was genuinely racist today.
Nick Griffin is not stupid and will adapt his policies to include what he believes will make the electorate vote for him – hence the repeal of what were quite racist policies to a much more reasonable manifesto which led to some seats finally being won.
Now is the party racist still? On paper the only thing that could mean yes will be repealed very shortly. Most voters however will not vote BNP into a position of real power – as they will always be frightened of what they say not being what they mean (much as promises have been broken by the major political parties to the electorate). So expect protest votes in council elections and European elections – and some success in the latter because of PR. But most of those voters are registering protests about economic conditions, the unlimited immigration madness and political correctness leading to inequality for whites – but few would want British citizens no matter what their colour to be treated differently.
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If there is a viable alternative to the usual parties other than BNP, then the BNP get screwed!
Watch the election in Cleveleys next Thursday. Ukip are set to get their first Fylde Coast Councillor.
BNP will be a poor last!
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It will be good to see UKIP gain some ground locally but if they think they can win Blackpool South with a muppet like Hamish Howitt they’ve got another thing coming. It made me laugh when he contested David Davis’ seat in Haltemprice and Howden and got 91 votes. But then he palmed that off as hard luck saying H&H is ‘toff country’ and contested Glasgow East claiming ‘I’ve got this one its my homeland’ and got an evenmore dismal 65 votes. But what really bugs me is where is all this money to fight these pointless elections coming from? From a man who is supposedly ‘up to his eyes in debts’ because ‘the smoking ban ‘crippled’ his business’. There’s something fishy afoot.
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I want UKIP to win, they are a non racist anti PC alternative to to the BNP, a much more sensible choice.
PC = Racism.
UKIP 2010!
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I agree completely but like I say I can’t back a party that wants to overturn the smoking ban especially not with a candidate like Howitt. On all other issues though I strongly support UKIP, I believe very strongly in EU withdrawl. I will simply vote in 2010 for whoever can get Marsden out.
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I would have no problem whatsoever with voting for Hamish, given his willingness to stand up to bullies telling him how to run his business and what to do with his private property.
If people want to avoid smoke, they’re old enough to make up their own minds about where they socialise.
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Now I don’t like smoking and I am in favour of the ban on smoking in restaurants but I do take the view that smoking in pubs is somewhat different. I most admit to a large degree of respect for Hamish and his stand against this silly law. Would I vote for him, I don’t think so but I would rather have a man of passion then what we have now and the alternative that the Cons are putting up.
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Anything is an improvement on Marsden and I do like UKIP but I don’t like Hamish and his pro-smoking campaign. I despise smoking all the ban is asking people to do is step outside and they are calling it ‘fascist’ eventhough they don’t even know what the word means. It is not fascist it is public health promotion. Also as I have said before how does Hamish keep magically finding all this money to take all these cases to court and fund these silly campaigns when he is supposedly ‘crippled with debts’, I find that a wee bit suspicious. He doesn’t care about Blackpool he onlt wants to get in Parliament (not gonna happen) so he can overturn the ban (also not gonna happen) even in the one in a billion chance he got in he would need a majority vote of MPs and that wouldn’t happen because there is majority support. Sorry if my comment sounds harsh but I can’t stand the guy I hate smoking passionately.
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Hi,
Can I call you Blacky?
I have Smoked a pipe since I was 15yrs old and I am still puffing I still like Rough black Shag. don’t knock it until you have tried it.
Cheers
Randy
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You can call me what you like (within reason obviously!!!) that’s fair enough and that is your decision, I have no problem with that. But I have no intentions of trying it because in my job I would be a hypocrite for starters, I can’t stand the taste of smoke and I would rather remain healthy especially as an asthmatic.
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yes get that bastard out!
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