Comments on: Blackpool Lib Dem PPCs revealed http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/ Right-leaning Blackpool blog covering South Shore, North Shore, Marton, Bispham, Cleveleys and the rest of the Fylde discussing politics, local life, tourism, national issues and the rest of the world. Lively discussions encouraged! Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:23:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Harold http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4990 Harold Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:13:06 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4990 Labour = filth. Labour = filth.

]]> By: True Blackpudlian http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4987 True Blackpudlian Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:29:10 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4987 Excellent posts John and I do agree to a large extent I do feel most Labour supporters are narrow-minded loyalists. I am not a sheep I actually have a mind of my own which is why despite being a Conservative supporter I am basing my vote based on the candidates. I don't want Marsden getting in again, I despair at the thought of Hamish getting in so my vote is between Conservative, Lib Dem and BNP eventhough normally I don't support the two latter parties. I probably never will vote Labour but not because I keep 'remembering' this terrible Government but because I despise socialism and would not back a socialist party. But as a more right leaning politician I would happily switch my allegiance to other right-wing parties such as UKIP (when Hamish and Hogan aka Dumb and Dumber are gone) English Democrats or independent candidates. Excellent posts John and I do agree to a large extent I do feel most Labour supporters are narrow-minded loyalists. I am not a sheep I actually have a mind of my own which is why despite being a Conservative supporter I am basing my vote based on the candidates. I don’t want Marsden getting in again, I despair at the thought of Hamish getting in so my vote is between Conservative, Lib Dem and BNP eventhough normally I don’t support the two latter parties. I probably never will vote Labour but not because I keep ‘remembering’ this terrible Government but because I despise socialism and would not back a socialist party. But as a more right leaning politician I would happily switch my allegiance to other right-wing parties such as UKIP (when Hamish and Hogan aka Dumb and Dumber are gone) English Democrats or independent candidates.

]]> By: john http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4965 john Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:52:40 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4965 I agree with a lot of your post Phil with some exceptions I feel that there are some very narrow-minded labour supporters that will never support any other party. There are however some labour supporters of the 80s and 90s which can no longer support this labour party which is not to say that they will never be able to support the labour party again just not this present one. I feel no party has any right to expect anyone to vote for them and equally every party should expect the electorate to listen to what they have to offer and vote accordingly. The second thing I kind of disagree with you about is spending cuts I do agree they have to happen its when that is the key. It has been kind of researched that less people have been affected by this recession then the one in the 80s because of the high spending. Now economists are very split on how to handle down turning economies some say lessen the fall by spending during one and when its over the economy will recover quicker because the fall is less and then you can get your spending under control. Others would say spend nothing save everything and when the dip is over then invest heavily because you can have the financial resources to do so. I grant you this is overly simplified but the principals are the same I tend to go with the former because the UK is not a PLC (no matter how some MPs refer to it) cutting back in a falling market means increase job losses. This leads to massive welfare problems which happened in the 80s and which this country has never recovered from. So yes cut but not to soon or to late but at the right time. When is the right time is the £17 billion question and unfortunately you only get one shot at it so who do we trust to take that shot? I agree with a lot of your post Phil with some exceptions I feel that there are some very narrow-minded labour supporters that will never support any other party. There are however some labour supporters of the 80s and 90s which can no longer support this labour party which is not to say that they will never be able to support the labour party again just not this present one. I feel no party has any right to expect anyone to vote for them and equally every party should expect the electorate to listen to what they have to offer and vote accordingly.
The second thing I kind of disagree with you about is spending cuts I do agree they have to happen its when that is the key. It has been kind of researched that less people have been affected by this recession then the one in the 80s because of the high spending. Now economists are very split on how to handle down turning economies some say lessen the fall by spending during one and when its over the economy will recover quicker because the fall is less and then you can get your spending under control. Others would say spend nothing save everything and when the dip is over then invest heavily because you can have the financial resources to do so. I grant you this is overly simplified but the principals are the same I tend to go with the former because the UK is not a PLC (no matter how some MPs refer to it) cutting back in a falling market means increase job losses. This leads to massive welfare problems which happened in the 80s and which this country has never recovered from.
So yes cut but not to soon or to late but at the right time. When is the right time is the £17 billion question and unfortunately you only get one shot at it so who do we trust to take that shot?

]]> By: Philtheone http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4949 Philtheone Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:24:33 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4949 It is narrow minded on the face of it, but as you say, so is the assumption that the Conservatives are the same as those that were in power 20 or 30 years ago. The assumption that someone that went to a public school isn't interested in "poor" people is just as narrow minded but Labour have and continue to use this as an electioneering tool. If they think that influences people into voting Labour - which they must do - then is it not fair to conclude that Labour voters are narrow minded? People are afraid of the Conservatives because they're honest about the cuts they're going to make. Labour are not honest. Everyone knows that cuts are needed and that they will be made, but the Conservatives have been honest and said that job losses are inevitable in the public sector. I watched Iain Duncan Smith following PMQs this week and he was saying that an employment scenario whereby university leavers seek only to enter the public sector due to better job security, better pay and far better pensions and perks is not sustainable. There needs to be a better balance and cuts need to be made. It'll happen under Labour too unless Gordon really does want to bankrupt us, but they've not talked about it because they don't want to piss their biggest financial backers (Unite) off. Labour has just said (and so have the Liberal Democrats today) that they wont be making immediate cuts despite business leaders calling for it in order to stabilise the public finances. But heads up Labour voting public sector workers - the cuts are coming, and if they are delayed they will come thick and fast after a honeymoon period. You can run but you can't hide! It is narrow minded on the face of it, but as you say, so is the assumption that the Conservatives are the same as those that were in power 20 or 30 years ago.

The assumption that someone that went to a public school isn’t interested in “poor” people is just as narrow minded but Labour have and continue to use this as an electioneering tool. If they think that influences people into voting Labour – which they must do – then is it not fair to conclude that Labour voters are narrow minded?

People are afraid of the Conservatives because they’re honest about the cuts they’re going to make. Labour are not honest.

Everyone knows that cuts are needed and that they will be made, but the Conservatives have been honest and said that job losses are inevitable in the public sector.

I watched Iain Duncan Smith following PMQs this week and he was saying that an employment scenario whereby university leavers seek only to enter the public sector due to better job security, better pay and far better pensions and perks is not sustainable.

There needs to be a better balance and cuts need to be made.

It’ll happen under Labour too unless Gordon really does want to bankrupt us, but they’ve not talked about it because they don’t want to piss their biggest financial backers (Unite) off.

Labour has just said (and so have the Liberal Democrats today) that they wont be making immediate cuts despite business leaders calling for it in order to stabilise the public finances.

But heads up Labour voting public sector workers – the cuts are coming, and if they are delayed they will come thick and fast after a honeymoon period. You can run but you can’t hide!

]]> By: john http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4924 john Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:04:02 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4924 You know when people say things like “I never want Labour in power ever again” I can’t help but feel they’re being narrow minded. TB comments on how he feels that all Labour voters keep harking back to the past and how he feels they are narrow-minded sheep but they may well have grown up in the 80s with mass unemployment and what appeared to be an uncaring government. This convinced them that they would never want the Conservative party in office again, which again is narrow-minded. Harold says time and time again that he never wants to see a Labour government or MP again however if Frank Fields was a labour leader and the party was following his policies then Harold may well be happy to vote Labour again. You should never say never because you never know what the future may hold and I would have never thought Labour would be on the political right of the Conservative but there you go. You know when people say things like “I never want Labour in power ever again” I can’t help but feel they’re being narrow minded. TB comments on how he feels that all Labour voters keep harking back to the past and how he feels they are narrow-minded sheep but they may well have grown up in the 80s with mass unemployment and what appeared to be an uncaring government. This convinced them that they would never want the Conservative party in office again, which again is narrow-minded. Harold says time and time again that he never wants to see a Labour government or MP again however if Frank Fields was a labour leader and the party was following his policies then Harold may well be happy to vote Labour again. You should never say never because you never know what the future may hold and I would have never thought Labour would be on the political right of the Conservative but there you go.

]]> By: Harold http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4841 Harold Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:55:17 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4841 marsden out, gurnshaw never in, labour out 2010! marsden out, gurnshaw never in, labour out 2010!

]]> By: True Blackpudlian http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4840 True Blackpudlian Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:30:00 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4840 The only thing that is guaranteed is that Hamish definitely is not even in the running. The only thing that is guaranteed is that Hamish definitely is not even in the running.

]]> By: John Bickerstaffe http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4839 John Bickerstaffe Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:29:00 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4839 Are Lib Dems for a two-pin system? Are Lib Dems for a two-pin system?

]]> By: True Blackpudlian http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4838 True Blackpudlian Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:26:43 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4838 Well said Harold, I sincerely hope this will be the end of Liebour on the Fylde Coast for good. I just hope Grunshaw doesn't get Lancaster & Fleetwood. It has been announced in the Gazette today Blackburn is the new Blackpool Liebour Party Leader and you are right another of these unjust discriminatory PC shortlists is proposed for Blackpool N & Cleveleys. I sincerely hope Mr Maynard wins, but the thought of 5 more years of Marsden in Blackpool S is a chilling thought. MARSDEN OUT 2010!!!! Well said Harold, I sincerely hope this will be the end of Liebour on the Fylde Coast for good. I just hope Grunshaw doesn’t get Lancaster & Fleetwood. It has been announced in the Gazette today Blackburn is the new Blackpool Liebour Party Leader and you are right another of these unjust discriminatory PC shortlists is proposed for Blackpool N & Cleveleys. I sincerely hope Mr Maynard wins, but the thought of 5 more years of Marsden in Blackpool S is a chilling thought. MARSDEN OUT 2010!!!!

]]> By: john http://philtheone.com/2010/03/blackpool-lib-dem-ppcs-revealed/#comment-4836 john Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:08:23 +0000 http://philtheone.com/?p=1834#comment-4836 I don't know but i am sure some would be seats in the cabinet and electrical reform. I don’t know but i am sure some would be seats in the cabinet and electrical reform.

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