Apr 292010
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My prediction/hope tonight is that Brown will get absolutely pummelled on this one, the economy is undoubtebly Labour’s weakest area by miles and hopefully the ‘bigotgate’ affair will haunt Brown tonight, I can’t wait to watch him squirm. Our economy is in turmoil and Labour want to keep on wasting money, it is insane.
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What a surprise, 4 minutes in and Brown is already negatively campaigning and overusing the word ‘recovery’ as always. LABOUR OUT 2010!!!
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Will someone please send Brown on an economics course, he is completely economically illiterate as proven by his deluded comments ‘support the recovery’ by spending and borrowing, it makes no sense. We are not in recovery, the economy is in a dire state and Labour plan to do fuck all about it like they have for the last 13 years.
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“I believe in fairness” another Brown soundbite, no you don’t. Labour knows nothing about ‘fairness’, Britain is more unfair than ever after 13 years of Labour lies.
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Its time Gordon gave up using a word that has neither meaning nor relevance:Fairness.
The debt will have to be sorted,otherwise we end up like greece,possibly ireland,portugal,italy and spain.
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Where is everyone tonight?
I swear Brown is a robot I have lost count of how many times he has said ‘fairness’ ‘taking money out of the economy’ ‘which is what David/Conservatives will do’ Brown has been absolutely abysmal so far and very juvenile talking over people and trying to smear the Conservatives.
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Brown’s idea of fairness is more benefits to the Pollits/Stokes flies et al and let the bankers off the hook and tax US more to pay for it all!
We have had13 years of ‘fairness’, thanks but no thanks!
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The bankers issue is interesting because it’s a no-win situation for the Government and ultimately us as taxpayers.
If they leave the bankers to it, with announcements of multi billion pound bonus buckets every quarter, people turn on the Government because the banks were bailed out off the back of speculative investing that went wrong (although the underlying issue was that banks were lending money to people that couldn’t afford to pay it back).
If they implement all kinds of draconian bankers taxes and bonus limits, then the banks will lose key personnel to foreign countries that don’t implement these taxes, which means their leading revenue generators in the investment banking sectors will be gone, meaning the public money doesn’t get paid back as quickly or even at all.
If they split the banks into investment banks and high street banks, then I can only see current accounts getting a fee and high street banking products costing us a lot more. Investment banking generates large income for banks, and it uses capital invested by you and I in order to do it. If you split this off from the main bank, how does the high street bank – which employs far more staff and has far more buildings than the investment bank – pay its way?
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If I hear ‘child tax credits’ one more fucking time I am going to scream, he doesn’t half waffle on, but then it is Brown.
Overall my review; I feel Cameron won this one again, Clegg was good but Cameron was better from my point of view, Brown was dismal he was just negative all night long, cheap smearing and negative campaigning. But I shall wait to see what the polls think.
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tax credits, does that mean more money for the Stokes?
Jesus fuckin wept!
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Not necessarily. Unless they actually work more than 20 hours per week then they will not get tax credits.
The tax credit system is a necessity due to New Labour’s social engineering of the last 15 years. Partly to placate the far left in Labour (and to give their mates jobs in the council) but also to make the bubble economy work by drafting in legions of immigrants to work in jobs that the UK populous cannot afford to do without sharing 8 to a room.
The people who would/could have done that have been lifted out of poverty on the back of social welfare so no longer have or indeed want to work.
It is a pain when you hear people say they take all our jobs – they do not, the truth is they take all the jobs Brits cannot afford to work in.
Everyone reading this ask yourselves, if you were made redundant could, would you be prepared to take a job at minimum wage? Is your skill so in demand you would have no trouble finding alternative work at the level of pay you currently enjoy?
So the big issue that we need to face as a country is the fact that our cost of living has rocketed by not keeping pace with pay and the realities of our economic output.
Which in turn has led to all of us enjoying an undeserved standard of living. The truth is and it is a harsh one there has to be a reset. The last two years have seen that reset try to get started but Brown and his Government in the interests of putting off the inevitable and to keep the bubble economy working have proven they will do anything to prop it up and that includes putting us into historical levels of debt and printing £££ Billions into the system.
Problem is ladies and gentlemen you are think you are well of as the values of your property has risen two or three fold over the last 15 or so years. Ask yourselves where has that value come from and is it sustainable? Think about how stretched the banks are (albeit a problem of their own making in lending far to much to people that cannot afford to pay it back), think about the quality of the employment that is available and the massive cuts that will have to come in public spending and crucially public services.
The truth is the damage is so great no party can sort it out without a hell of a lot of pain and riots on the street Brixton style in the Thatcher years.
If you have rode the bubble extended credit on multiple cards, taken equity from property values that you are complicit in the whole shenanigans to the point of being a co conspirator alongside Brown.
The truth is the last decade has been one hell of a party all sorts of money was sloshing around the system and people have milked it. After the greatest ever party comes the greatest ever hangover….
It is no accident the news is now turning to Sovereign default it was always going to be the next stage in this and it is now approaching…..
After that cheery message now time to slag off the gasjet……
Last news broke that Radio 2 has lost the Illuminations switch on broadcast to Independent radio….
http://www.radiotoday.co.uk/news.php?extend.5874
Not a whisper of it in the local rag… Cutting edge journalism at its best….
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Hmm… Doesn’t say whether or not the decision was because of Radio 2 pulling out of its own accord. If that was the case, then it’s understandable and could be for various reasons, but I’d be interested to know what the rationale was otherwise.
Radio 2 has by far the largest reach and most listener hours compared to GMG – how that breaks down in to demographics I don’t know.
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Gazette has coverage: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/BBC-pull-plug-on-big.6264599.jp – seems to suggest that it’s down to reprioritisation at the BBC.
I think GMG will be able to pull off a similar event for a fraction of what the BBC would have splurged on it. It might not be as slick, but it will be value-for-money and I suspect that the council will find it easier to work with a much more flexible and smaller broadcaster and its entourage.
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Reading this so far anyone would think it was a one man Brown show! The Sun are saying Dave toasted the other two and came out with 41% saying he won it. The Mirror on the other hand are calling him a salesman!
I’ve not watched it as I was out, but got it Sky plussed and I presume it is on iPlayer as well so I will check it in due course.
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I thought Clegg won it by a mile but then i’m slightly biased.
I think Labour are going to suffer the third party squeeze now, just like the Lib Dems have in the past!
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I thought all three of them were piss poor. They know the pain they have got to put the population through but will lie through their teeth to get away from having to explain it.
At the end of this we will all be buggering off to Romania to look for work….
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Yeah, I agree.
How we can all sit here like lemons allowing the three parties to avoid telling us where they will be making cuts whilst the IFS comes out saying all of them need to identify a further £50bn+ of cuts/revenue raising in order to cut the deficit is just dire.
There was one lad who asked the question early – if so much more money is needed, why aren’t they coming clean and telling us about the tax hikes and spending cuts?
They all dodged the question.
Is it because they don’t know, since the Government wouldn’t do a spending review before the election?
Or because whichever party announces £50bn more cuts than the other basically rules itself out of the election because nobody would vote for it?
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To be fair Phil, would you tell the public the painful truth when you know it would mean alot of people won’t then vote for you.
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Course I wouldn’t, but this is our country and these bastards are only giving us a glimmer of pain in their manifestos.
Maybe the rules should be changed so they have to come clean.
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This is what really frustrates me about the entitlement culture of this country – it’s a race to the bottom of the pile.
Lots of people tentatively seem to accept that there need to be cuts, but nobody seems willing to take their share of them. Some people realise that they’re leaving a legacy of debt for future citizens but are perhaps putting it to the back of their minds, but there seems to be plenty of others who are just financially and economically illiterate, with an outlook that suggests that goverment just comes up with the money and that it is their birthright to have a share of it – no sense of obligation towards taking only what they need or paying down debt. Greece is the only other place where I’ve seen this taken a step further.
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Greece will be the testing ground. The next few weeks will see the sort of cuts we can start to look forward too, with that comes the civil strife and the rioting.
The only part left in this Greek tragedy (for us that is) will it be the Government that orchestrates the massive cuts or will it be the IMF.
Cameron should have had this election in the bag Months ago. He walked away from loads of Labour own goals where he could have taken points off Brown.
A cynic could say Cameron is only half trying to win this election or maybe he is campaigning for a hung parliament.
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We could do with getting Margret Thatcher back, she could have a handbad sale and sell off some more of our silver.
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Not sure really. I think people are starting to see the real Gordon Brown. He’s brittle, fragile and battle weary, and is only capable of taking the country further into the mire. Peter Mandelson exemplified the Labour support for Gordon even in the face of one of the most monumental gaffes he could ever have made, but even he must now concede that Gordon Brown will not be the Prime Minister in a week or so.
He’s not interested in people, and treats people that disagree with him not with maturity but with contempt behind their backs. I refuse to believe Gillian Duffy was the first!
So what am I saying? Well, that I believe Cameron will not be tarred too much by Gordon’s economic fuck ups. I don’t think he’s seeking a hung parliament. I accept he could be the next John Major, paving the way for another Labour or even Liberal Democrat government though.
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Gordon Brown is a joke, all he did last night was campaigned negatively and even started stooping to class warfare. Brown was definitely KO’d last night, he was absolutely abysmal. Then I had a good laugh when that smug slimy cretin Mandelson said he gave a ‘barnstorming performance’. Barnstormingly buggered was all he was.
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Mervyn understands the pain that must be felt….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/29/mervyn-king-warns-election-victor
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and now the end is near, I face the final curtain………………..
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100430/tuk-uk-britain-election-newspapers-fa6b408.html
Fantastic news, although I never saw The Times as a ‘Labour paper’ anyway, The Times is I would say the most balanced and fair of the papers politically.
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It says The Economist has also switched to the Conservatives. But I can’t comprehend why The Economist would ever back the most economically illiterate party in England to begin with. I laughed today when I read an analysis of last night’s debate said Gordon Brown faired poorly on what should be his ‘strongest area’. Brown is one of the worst Chancellors we have ever had. He knows about as much about economics as I know about astrophysics.
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Executive Editor and Chief feature writer of the Times, Danny Finkelstein, is a former head of the Conservatives policy unit and was an advisor to both William Hague and John Major and regularly speaks for Tories on Newsnight so its hardly a surprise that the Times have come out for the Tories!
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Good point, but like I say as a regular Times reader myself I have never seen it as a ‘Labour’ paper anyway. Well at least Labour still has the Mirror left, lol.
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To be fair, calling the Mirror a newspaper does rather leave you open to prosecution under the trades description act!
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Oh yeah, I should have thought of that, I better delete this comment stat!!!!
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Nah, its ok TB, your not on Live in Blackpool!!
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Slightly off-topic but a mate told me tonight he was coming out of Iceland on Vicarge Lane and Marsden (much to my amazement) was actually there in person trying to con people to vote Labour, but then much to my amusement he was told to leave the premises by Iceland management, classic.
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lol they must have thought he was shirtlifting, sorry SHOPLIFTING, lol
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Lol, brilliant comment Harold.
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TB I need my humour to keep my sanity, we have 5 years of shit coming up mate,lol
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Don’t I know if, if we get a Hung Parliament this time next week. I could live with a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition but I do not want a Labour-Lib Dem coalition. I don’t want Labour having any power full stop.
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Neither do I!
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Anyone found any pubs yet doing an all nighter as the election results come in? Could need s tiff drink if it all goes Pete Tong.
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I have a storage at home mate;its cheaper, lol.
cheers for the economic insights, a most fascinating read.
BTW, Do you have a degree in the subject?
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Ask Hamish Howitt he or one of his BNP pals may know of one.
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Very good point Brusier!!!!
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Local politics not your strong point then Bruiser? Howatt spelt (muppet) stands for UKIP not the BNP….
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Your sarcasm only shows your own lack of knowledge.
Perhaps you should read what is written first, check your facts and engage your brain before trying to be sarcastic next time!
There are photos of BNP supporters in Hamish bar on the net.
By the way Howitt has no UKIP friends, the local UKIP members do not want to know him so he could not ask them anyway.
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Where on here does it say (other than your latest post) that there are photo’s of BNP supporters in Hamish bar?
Extrapolation of future political events I can have a stab at but mind reading (sadly) escapes me.
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Well Well, looks like Hamish’s UK-fags site is down all of a sudden!!!
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If you trawl the net there are photos of the BNP candidate who stood for Fairhaven ward in last years county council elections.
The photos were taken in Hamish’s bar and are in some newspaper report re the smoking issues.
You do not have to read minds just a bit of surfing.
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I believe the reason Hamishs website has been taken down because of a complaint to Ukip last week about the content of his site and the language used
One of the Photos
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469818/Defiant-landlord-faces-17-500-fine-flouting-smoking-ban.html
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That’s another thing that’s been bugging me; how can he be the Chairman of a registered party and then stand for another one. But this is just like I said the other day; its funny how he is seemingly trying to hide all references to his pro-smoking campaign. Probably because he has pissed off so many UKIP members with his ‘selection’. He knows he will be seen as Hamish the ‘pro-smoking publican’ not ‘Hamish the UKIP candidate’. But then why worry because he has got no chance in a million years anyway. This is a 3 way race, I reckon UKIP will get their lowest ever vote in Blackpool South.
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I like the tory policy on rolling back the big brother state,thats excellent and very tempting; tempting me to vote tory in fact.
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I see the latest broadsheet waffle is going along the lines of a Con/LibD minority Government (cannot bring myself to call it a coalition) taking power.
They would then examine the nations finances and tell us the situation is far worse than had been feared and call in the IMF themselves..
At a stroke they get the IMF to take the fall for dishing out the dirty work and nicely place the blame for it all on the exiting Government Consigning Labour to generations in the wilderness.
I think its a great plan and has much merit..
I see this morning the locals are getting quite vocal in Greece, expect that to get worse much worse in the days ahead. I am considering wagering £5 to see if the Greek Government can last till the end of the week.
Clegg and Cameron will be watching in earnest what unfolds……..
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Got another Liebour leaflet today and another Conservative leaflet. The Conservative one was very positive, all about change etc with national and local stuff on it. But the Liebour one was just lies, lies and more lies. It was totally negative full of Tory bashing smears and lies and scaremongering. But what annoys the most is that people believe this utter crap, in my area all I keep seeing is ‘Vote Labour’ and ‘Vote Marsden’ posters, it makes me sick that people are being conned by this smarmy toad who has no connection with Blackpool or its people. But then today I went out to Over Wyre for a barbeque and all I saw everywhere was Vote Conservative billboards all over the countryside, not a dirty Vote Labour sign to be seen anywhere.
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Being a nurse, you will have plenty of time for barbeques if the mad slasher Cameron gets his grubby hands on Government
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Are you on a different planet? The Tories are the only party increasing real terms spending on the NHS. It’s been said more times than I care to mention on the TV, in the papers and on the debates, and it’s in the manifesto, yet you insist it’s not true?
Gordon Brown is increasing NHS spending but not in real terms, so it’s a bit like his defence spending lies that he told to Chilcot.
Nick Clegg hasn’t ring fenced it at all and will probably make cuts.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies has suggested cuts of 13% in the public sector are needed.
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You have been warned about your abusive comments, either post constructive comments or go away, this is a friendly site. Well said Phil, Labour has already done 13 years of damage to the NHS, we are polluted with targets and bureaucracy instead of letting the professionals get on with our jobs, I am sick to death of Government interference.
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I am not lover of Brown, Clegg or Cameron for that matter but where was the abusive comment?
Whoever wins is going to slash public spending to the bone and then some more.
A sense of reality and the level of pain to come will assist in the transition to it, whoever gets in out of those three or a combination of two of them or indeed another agency they will be called slashers.
If you think Dave has all the answers then my friend you are sadly deluded. I don’t say that as a lefty or a centrist cos neither of the other two have the answers either..No one does!!
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It was abusive, because this person has been stalking me on this website under several different fake names writing deliberately provocative comments aimed at me. I agree completely we need to cutback, thanks to Labour’s reckless squandering the economy is in a very dire state. They inherited a strong economy in 1997 I am sick of people wrongly believing Brown created it. I am not saying the Conservatives have all the answers, but anything is an improvement on this Labour Government. It is looking very likely we will get a Conservative Government, but what pisses me off is that as has happened on previous occasions they end up having to make painful decisions to repair years of Labour damage. Then people whinge and moan and vote Labour back in to wreck the economy again. At least if they won in 2010 they would have to clean up their own mess for a change.
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Inequality was less under John Major, its worse under labour, the party of ‘equality’.
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Equality my arse; a few examples of Labour ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’; England pays for Scotland to have free prescriptions and free university education when Labour took it away here. Jobs are awarded on the basis of PC not merit and the gap between the rich and poor is wider than ever.
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Agreed TB, its a label they have worn yet provided the exact opposite,total insanity.
I just hope that friday is the first day of the end of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
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I’m just watching Brown the Clown being roasted by Paxo and he is fumbling all the way. He keeps defending his record on the economy referring to the ‘Global Financial Crisis’. Labour are the most economically illiterate party in the country, they must be removed. LABOUR OUT 2010 MARSDEN OUT 2010
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He cosied up to the banks and the city, gave OUR money to these banker-scum who got themselves massive bonuses with it,thats not goverment, thats obscene.
My gripe is this: It will be us who will pay for all of this shite on friday,the bankers and Poliit scroungers will escape the coming grief;BASTARDS.
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I agree Geezer, I dont think any of the 3 have a REAL clue as to the shituation,friday morning will not be a day of celebration,regardless of whoever does, or does not win.
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