WHEN BLACKPOOL FC were promoted to the Premier League in 2010 they staged an extremely busy event on the Promenade to celebrate, with the team riding through on an open top bus before taking to the stage to belt out that this was the “best trip they had ever been on”. I went to this event and parked on Blackpool South car park, paying a fairly ridiculous minimum charge of £3.50 for the trouble. But hey, it was a one-off (or maybe not if Ian Holloway can stop the team conceding cheap goals).
I just checked and the minimum charge has gone up to £5.00 for this car park, and this is only enough to buy you 3 hours of time before the parking stasi come along and make your trip a whole lot more expensive. In tourist spots in Cornwall, £5.00 gets you the whole day making Blackpool very, very expensive. Expensive unless you are a Muslim that worships at the controversial Noor A Madina mosque on Waterloo Road, operated by Labour Party drone Tasurraf Shah.
This Sunni Islam mosque has been desperately trying to expand its capacity over the last year and boasts on its Wikipedia page that, ‘there are two 200-person capacity buildings at the mosque; three remain under development.’ Assuming the other three buildings are of equal size (they are all similarly sized shops), this works out at a current capacity of 400 and a prospective capacity of 1,000 Muslims. Unfortunately their expansion plans were quashed on the basis of insufficient car parking.
On the 13th of February, 2012, Pam Goodwin from Blackpool Council confirmed that 8 parking permits, with no restriction on the vehicle used, had been issued to the Noor A Madina mosque permitting an hour’s free parking on Blackpool South car park every Friday. It seems like a token gesture, because this in no way covers the mosque’s capacity of 400 people. However, since the minimum charge at this car park is £5.00 per vehicle, this works out at a subsidy of £40 per week, or a colossal £2,080 per annum from Blackpool Council.
You might remember that Council Leader Simon Blackburn was asked, through a petition of over 2,300 signatures, to stop the council putting up the rent for the 1st Bispham Scout and Guides group from £10 to £1,400. In rejecting this request, he said;
The implication of granting the Scouts the discretionary payment they seek, while affordable in itself, would be to open the floodgates to a whole host of other equally venerable institutions, and that is a burden I am not prepared to ask tax payers to fund.
A fair point, I suppose, if a little disappointing. The council, however, are not operating in a consistent, fair manner on this. It appears that if the subject matter is a mosque, operated by a crony of the controlling Labour councillors, leading a minority group that could potentially cultivate Labour voters, the council are happy to throw away their stance of protecting taxpayers money and bung over £2,000 per year in benefits in kind to the cause. Simon Blackburn is a hypocrite.
The Fairness Commission should be all over this because, as Tasurraf Shah highlights in her appeal against the rejection of planning permission, there are three other churches within sight of the mosque and, like the Noor A Madina, they do not have on-site parking for their congregations. As such, the council should in fact be supplying these churches with appropriate parking passes to maintain fairness.
Similarly, other business owners in the area that I have spoken to have applied for parking permits and been rejected by the council, but it seems that handouts are only available if you vote Labour pray to Allah rather than keep the town’s economy going.
Update
10/4/12, 16.00
I’ve just been informed that following these revelations about free parking passes (which portfolio holder Fred Jackson is said to have been unaware of) and some sniffing around from the Gazette, the council have performed a massive U-turn on this issue and withdrawn all of the passes from the Noor A Madina mosque.
Council officers have no authority to whimsically hand out free council services to those they favour. This is yet another insight into a laissez-faire, tail-wags-dog culture in which the officers rule until they are found out. Sound familiar? Of course, if KPMG had done a report about it, it would probably have been kept secret.
That said, expect to see this in Wednesday’s Gasjet.
Give yourselves a pat on the back, folks!
http://fylde-bootnecks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/outrage-when-law-goes-against.html
Singing from the same songsheet.
When I was in Aden and the Far East, I never witnessed so much devotion or bias in administrative law as is being forced on the indigenous Briton throughout these island today. Remember the Lancashire child who was mown down by an illegal immigrant? What legal sanction did he receive? Open door to the benefits system and a wife who ought to have been charge with helping to pervert the coarse of justice.
Fuck ‘em. Throw them out and put me in nick if need be for MY beliefs.
My question is why these premises are being referred to as a Mosque. The application for the takeaway shops to convert into a Mosque has been refused. If the premises are being used for anything other than takeaways then surely this is illegal. If that is the case then council official should close the “MOSQUE” until the planning situation is resolved. Hopefully in favour of the 3,000 petitioners against the “Mosque”
There should be fairness across the board and the Christian Churches in the area (or any other faith – Hindu, Sikh, Jewish et al) should have the same consideration.
I feel that this is politically driven rather than bias in favour of one particular religion (btw I’m a muslim and white British but I’d probably get a parking ticket regardless of being muslim
) and if Tasurraf Shah was a member of another political party or no party at all we’d not see these priviliges dished out willy-nilly.
Phil, love the stereotypical islamaphobic graphics but my wife, daughter and I tend to identify with the “shiny happy people” on the right. Do I win a fiver?
Pics are from the Great British taxpayer funded politically correct institution that is the BBC I’m afraid, I only wrote the numbers!
I have no opinion on Muslims except that I think they should be treated in the same way as anyone else. In this case it appears that they have been made a special case when it comes to parking which is either Labour pandering to a minority or appeasing a crony to keep her and her congregation on side.
Pandering. The bolsheviks have learnt their lesson in Bradford North where they fielded an Asian muslim candidate expecting the Pakistanis to line up to vote Zanulab as usual. Unfortunately, “Gorgeous George” turned up and turned the locals thus kicking them square in the knackers.
Simon is a dyed-in-the-wool bolshevik bastard and will have been “advised” by the commissariat at Millipede Central to kiss Paki arse from now until the next election.
oops Bradford West not North – same difference I suppose – it’s all Yorkshire to me
Aye well ‘Gorgeous George’ is in fact muslim, far more muslim than that asian guy. He converted 10+ years ago…
lol love the picture Phil,fucking brilliant, glad to hear of the U turn another triumph of the human spirit for Philtherone and amen to that! Praise be to Allah!
and on the same day captain hook abu hamza is gonna get free accomodation in a US supermax for the next 50 years,lol
At least he’s not coming here and parking for free. Or is he?!
lol he and his cronies are gonna be in the hospitality of our uncle sam for the next 50 years,solitary in a super max,lol,lol,lol, just enough space for a prayer mat in a cell slightly bigger then a toilet cubicle lol.At least the US taxpayers will be having these idiots,lol
Great article Phil, still laughing at the pictures,lol,lol,lol,lol,
We’re finally getting shot of that sack of shit thank God.
I’ve just noticed that the email from Pam Goodwin to Tasurraf Shah doesn’t specify Fridays for the parking permits. If it’s every day, this constitutes a subsidy from the council of £14,600 per annum.
Do we have anything that actually says Friday, aside from an acknowledgement that Friday is the principle prayer time?
Muslims pray 5 cardinal prayers every day. One before dawn, noon, mid afternoon, dusk and evening about 2 hours after the dusk prayer (I shan’t bother giving their arabic names)
The “juma’a” prayer on a friday is a one-off weekly congregational prayer that is obligatory for men if physically able to attend. Women are not obliged to attend this prayer if they don’t want to. It is when the “Imam” (leader of the prayers who usually has some schooling in the Qur’an) gives a kind of sermon (hutba) which can take the form of a moral lecture on behaviour or sometimes a commentary on current affairs from an Islamic viewpoint.
I hope this enlightens.
I have updated the article above to reflect the latest on this, which is that the council have decided to withdraw all the parking passes from the mosque.
Why’s Harold so quiet? Looking for a free parking space?
Hes still here,lol Praise be to Allah,God of free parking spaces……………lol
Back up a touch, Harold. Just goin’ to park Fred Dibnar’s Puffing Tractor ont’councillor’s plot. Somewhere in Crystal whatdermacallit? Innit? No problem fer me. I’ll just follow the smell. Got two tonne of pig shit to wash down Waterloo road with. Anyone for a bacon butty?
Praise be to Allah,God of free parking spaces…..
Truly.
I have put in a FOI request for all the correspondence between Pam Goodwin and Mrs. Shah over the parking permits. I’ll keep you updated.
Good luck with that… you will need it
Equality Impact Assessments
In order to meet the provisions of the Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 all public bodies are required to carry out assessments on all policies, services and functions to determine any adverse impact on any group in the community.
Equality Impact Assessments have been developed as a tool for ensuring that equality; social inclusion and community cohesion issues can be considered when drawing up policies or proposals, which affect the delivery of services, the carrying out of the Council’s functions and the employment practice of the authority.
The initial decision to give free passes was a change in policy for a specific group of people and therefore should have been subject to an Equality Impact Assessment. On carrying out that assessment anyone with an ounce of knowledge about equality issues would see that such a decision would create racial tension and hatred to the Mosque and its users.
All Equality Impact Assessments are required to be published and available to the public by law.
Only a fool would allow such a decision without consideration for the possible consequences. At least someone had the brains to react to the situation and preventing its escalation.
Fred “Only a fool would allow such a decision without consideration for the possible consequences. At least someone had the brains to react to the situation and preventing its escalation.” Only a fool would vote there morons into the council. They swallow the shi’te that our paid servants bamboozle them with. Every public servant – of each and every hue – ought to be made to read “Spoilt Rotten” by Theodore Dalrymple and every potential councillor should have their interpretation of it on their manifesto – not that many are capable of of doing constructive thinking or even listening to others views. To the majority a manifesto is just sheets of toilet paper dispatched from inner London, a rural extension of greater Brussels and Pakistan. Good piece Fred, but it ought to be directed at ME ME ME councillors and their mandarins – or are they Satsumas?
Gunner you have it right here the councillors which are being elected are just not up to the job (as a whole) these days. The worse of it must off them feel they are the more and more I think about this we should be paying our councillors full time salary and do away with highly paid council officers and leave it to our elected councillors to do the jobs.
I agree Notareargunner; though I do believe that many Councillors read this site as it is one of the few places they can get an honest opinion about what many residents think of the Council and the Elected members decisions.
But not all potential candidates are the same; the difficulty they have is getting into the system.
Good work Greg
To be fair to the council they have supplied me with any information I have asked them for, so far.
No acknowledgement of my FOI request, as yet. I’ll get on the phone tomorrow, I think.
Love the contrast in pictures !!
In a spirit of fairness and to balance things out a bit on this forum
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/life/the-adventures-of-annoying-jesus/
Good work Phil!
Just want to say well done everyone bringing this matter to light. Wanting everyone to have equal rights is not racist. Well done Phil.
Who said anything about racism?!
The usual suspects trotted out the race-card all the way through the process, Phil. The legitimate concerns of local residents were dismissed as ‘racism’. At a PACT meeting I attended, Fred Jackson tried to smear the objectors as being EDL members and therefore, presumably not entitled to an opinion.
Really is a good article and includes some excellent and informed comment. Thankfully the provision has been withdrawn before there has been any serious fall-out. (Well done to Greg)
If Fred Jackson was unaware of this, then who had the authority to grant such a stupid concession?
Presumably this had to be a decision taken by a ‘senior’ official and was not only a bad decision, but one certain to cause problems, that should easily have been foreseen.
What action will be taken against this council employee who is patently not up to the rigours of the job?
Or – did Fred Jackson know and is trying to take the easy option?
No prizes for guessing which officer is at the top of the tree on this one!
I understand the GAZETTE are going to run a story on this matter in tomorrows paper. Alas, I believe they fall short on the full implications of this delicate matter.
Oh right, is it not in today’s?
I understand one of the arguments put forward by the council is that St. John’s church has a parking permit, therefore the mosque should get them.
They are hardly comparable scenarios.
Am I missing something here – I was under the distinct impression that planning permission for use as a mosque, had been refused? How can anyone on the council try and put this argument forward.
Too right they are hardly comparable scenarios. What does anyone think of the chances of someone being held to account for this.?
If Donnellon can ‘forget’ to tell the contractor about the change in plans for the tram crossing on Kelso Ave and still survive intact, what chance for any other clanger to attract any form of retribution? About time senior officers were made aware that in return for a big salary, there goes a big responsibility.
There is an appeal under way against the Council’s decision (which Mrs. Shah described as a ‘minor setback’) The details are on the Council’s website and make fascinating reading.
Hi Greg
Can you provide the link as I am having difficulty finding the article
Cheers.
http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/Services/M-R/PlanningApplications/ Paste that into your browser. Then click the underlined section that says “If you wish to view applications online click here.” Enter 11/0593 and click search. The whole saga is on there.
Cheers Greg.
It would appear that the allocation of Parking Passes to the Mosque is showing favour to facilitate an on going Planning Appeal. This favour would set a precedence and perhaps make the council obliged to assist other failed applications through the Appeal process. I have no objections to the Mosque whatsoever; I do however object to; ill thought out “positive discrimination” that fuels the rhetoric of biased organisations.
Was reading the quote from Blackburn about the scouts and referred back to a piece from Feb 1st and that the scouting movement is an anathema to Labour. Why is that? Why do Labour not like the scouting movement? Can anyone help me to understand
probably because its people organsing themselves for their own good and not in accordance with pc marxist doctrine.
Traditionally the communists and fellow travellers in the west like the Labour Party considered the scouting movement as a reactionary nationalist paramilitary formation.
Also in the communist countries scouting was also banned because they wanted the youth to belong to the Young Pioneers leading onto the Communist Youth Leagues so that the young could be moulded into what they considered to be good party members.
The philosophy of the scouts is counter to atheist marxist doctrine as a scout swears to do his “duty to God and the Queen”. In the bolshevik world there is no God except the party and the Queen is regarded as a fascist.
The Scout Promise:
On my honour, I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to God and to the Queen,
To help other people
And to keep the Scout Law
The Scout Law:
A Scout is to be trusted.
A Scout is loyal.
A Scout is friendly and considerate.
A Scout belongs to the worldwide family of Scouts.
A Scout has courage in all difficulties.
A Scout makes good use of time and is careful of possessions and property.
A Scout has self-respect and respect for others.
The Bolshevik Law:
A Bolshevik cannot be trusted.
A Bolshevik is loyal to the party.
A Bolshevik is friendly and considerate when it suits him/her.
A Bolshevik is part of a wider international network.
A Bolshevik is not courageous prefering to overcome by subversion.
A Bolshevik makes good use of others time for the party’s profit and is careful of other people’s possessions and property, confiscating them “in the name of the people” at every opportunity.
A Bolshevik has no respect for anything except the party.
Thank you for the info, I believed as much but needed to hear other peoples views on it, when I have raised the matter I got shut down and made to feel I was incorrect. I used to be a boy scout at 5th Layton and remember my promises. Thru the boy scout movement I could tell 24 hour time by the time I was 8 years old plus other things. My little boy who doesn’t live with me was 12 or 13 by the time he was educated to such standards, I cannot understand why they wouldn’t want it to flourish. Labour lot are a weird lot.
labour have lost the plot BIG TIME, having said that,same for the lib dems and the cons,they are all shite imho.
Thank you Harold. I ask because a friend is an activist and when stopped in the street and asked to sign the petition to stop the rent increase, my friend behaved as if it were an HIV infected needle being waved at them which I found bizarre when juxtaposed with my friends view on help for the young and various outreach programmes etc.
I used be a labour supporter but havent been for years, their obsessive PC culture is corrosive and divisive,trouble is the tories and lib dems are infected with it as well.Marx lost the economic argument but is winning the culture war…………..
If they want a proper mosque with proper parking why do they not buy the properties lodge a planning application to demolish and rebuild and create parking?
They are going about it arse about face in trying to convert old shop properties which are clearly not adequate for the purpose!!
why not convert the wedding shed into a mosque? They can sell it for 3 million quid and use the money to repair the roads, actully a dome /minaret would certainly enhance its appearence,some mosques are quite lovely buildings to look at.If architecture is frozen music, then the wedding shed is a frozen scream of a person shitting their bowels…………
I own the business directly next door to the mosque and the problem is the “PARKING”. You have people coming and going driving cars over the public footpath and at times taking up a lot of the parking on the road. I don’t understand why the police don’t take action or do we have to wait until a serious accident happens. As Geezer says “They are going about it arse about face in trying to convert old shop properties which are clearly not adequate for the purpose”!!
The properties are owned by Nadeem Manoor of Bradford and the people who attend the mosque do not live in Blackpool but travel in to run their businesses in south shore from other towns in Lancashire.#
This operation would have been forced to close had it been any other organization that were non muslim. Mrs Shah has played the race card from start to finish to steam roller her plans through but she will not get away with it.
Jeremy, do you know whether the mosque, aka Ghousia TV, is operating as a charity, and as such pays no council tax etc?
Phill may be of use: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-1678510/Prayer-rooms-fact-or-urban-myth.html#ixzz1rp9I0gOY
The Wikipedia site does not say anything about it being a charity but says the site is active.
http://en.wikip
edia.org/wiki/Noor-A-Madina_Mosque#Noor-A-Madina_Multi_Cultural_Centre
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1143088&SubsidiaryNumber=0
I took a look at the link and in the aims of the charity is the following:
TO ADVANCE EDCUATION
Hehehe obviously failed with that then
You probably know more than me on that one Phil.
On the matter of this mosque I await developments with interest.
As I’ve said above my family are white european muslims and the congregation of the other mosque at Revoe are too extreme in their practice of Islam and we probably would not be welcome because of the colour of our skins.
However, although I believe that a mainstream and moderate alternative to the Revoe mosque is certainly required in the area for those muslims who are not homegrown Taliban, I have not attended this mosque in South Shore because I believe they have gone about it in the wrong way and tried to bodyswerve the planning laws that everybody else has to adhere to – that is unislamic in itself btw.
If planning permission is eventually granted in the correct way then all well and good. However, if its granted for political reasons using underhand means and without taking into consideration the local residents’ views then that would be a disaster and a source of racial/religious conflict in this town for years to come. Nobody of sound mind wants that.
well said TT,the enemy of humanity is political correctness………..
Mosque in the Waterloo Rd ALDI building, anyone?
Make no mistake, there was nothing ‘provisional’ about this offer. It was a firm offer. The correspondence regarding it can be seen on the Council website. I note with interest that the name of the person who made the offer PAM GOODWIN and the name of another person who was copied into the e-mail, CHRIS BRODMAN, have been removed from the website. My request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, for further information has not been acknowledged by Pam yet, so yesterday I copied Philip Welsh ( philip.welsh@blackpool.gov.uk ), the Council’s FOI officer, into the process, just to keep everything above board.
the original document about the parking spaces on council planning site has been taken down replaced with heavily edited one, the name of council officer blacked out. amazing!!!
http://publicaccess.blackpool.gov.uk:90/online-applications/files/21762A6A66D25B1A054D449B03D1BCD1/pdf/11_0593-APPELLANTS_GROUNDS_OF_APPEAL-170550.pdf
They can run but they can’t hide: I have a copy of the original.
An utter disgrace though, but this shows what we are up against. New chief exec perhaps, but same old cover ups and other self preserving bullshit, just like Crystal Road.
This may be one for the Local Government Ombudsman.
I’ve just checked out the new redacted version, but the paper shuffler that created it has clearly printed it, erased the names with a marker, and then scanned it back in. Trouble is, you can see the imprint of PAM GOODWIN in reverse quite clearly on the last page.
What I am appalled at even more is that this document has been basically overwritten by an edited version, and the date on it DOES NOT reflect this. How can any paper chasing audit be trusted from this council if they are able to go back in time and modify documents to their liking without any record that it’s a new, modified version?
I would have thought their document management system would have forbidden this practice, or at least forced them to put today’s date on it.
The comment in the Appeal letter from Ms Shah to Planning Department speaks volumes about her. She informs the Council that she has had meetings with both Cameron and Baroness Warsi to discuss her application and then attaches photos of her alongside these 2. She will of course have provided them with an un-biased view of the planning application.Obviously this is intended to impress, or more likely intimidate. It is disgraceful conduct and her photo opportunities have absolutely nothing to do with her application.
Clearly she believes otherwise!
You’re quite correct, of course. Her ‘friends in high places’ photos amount to nothing less than a veiled threat, if you’ll pardon the pun.
Maybe she shelled out for lunch at No 10?
Disgraceful. Let’s play the game of intimidate the local government officer with high-ranking politicians and play the race card at the same time in order to get her way and the mosque built without the proper scrutiny such a project requires. This leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth.
It seems the sane liberal muslims are gonna get a bad name on account of this loony woman,perhaps its time to form another sect of Islam TT? Tangislam?
Strange she chooses to use DC on a photo, over a year ago he stated that multicultralism had failed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-17691578
more pc shite here 50 k on this bollox!
This is just typical I’ll thought out prejudice from most of the commentators here. A small matter of parking spaces to assist a peaceful religion of decent people to,prosper and grow in our community is not too much to ask. Typical EDL bigotry.
lol lol lol lol, I see the PC freaks are out in force…………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKEd6rzbeg&feature=g-all-c&context=G2513169FAAAAAAAACAA
Hey Ryan, heres a video showing some REAL bigots in action, just for you mate, enjoy!
There is nothing peaceful about them Ryan. Take your head out of the clouds. If you want first hand experience, call in my showroom, next door to the mosque and ask for Jeremy Smith, I will gladly explain and demonstrate the problems we are experiencing.
They should stick all them lot on the same plane as Abu Hamza.
Get off your PC high horse, Ryan. You are so narrow minded if you think any of this is remotely connected to the EDL.
The council were pandering to minorities and subsidising them with free council services that everyone else has to pay for. On the other hand, they have taken away (lesser) subsidies for other charitable groups and put their rents up by 13,000%.
It’s a classic case of double standards and positive discrimination. Then to see the council take down all the documents, edit them and alter the date from April 2012 to February to disguise the edit absolutely reeks.
To be fair to Ryan the pictures you have chosen hardly depict Muslims going to church perhaps the pictures could have been balanced by showing football hooligans rather than the quaint white family shown.I admit to being racist as are some of the other people who have commented on this perhaps this was your aim to stir up tensions between the races to boost the number of people who comment on this magnificent site.
I had to laugh at the choice of pictures myself Cardy but the point is MOST people can see the joke and irony in it. I’m surprised at your choice of words, describing the white middle class family as “Quaint”.
Ryan, your post exposes a total misunderstanding of the issue here.
Given that the proposed mosque is an alternative to the wahabbi type unfortunately prevalent in this country which are far from peaceful if you took the time to study the history of the heretical Wahabbi sect and their Deobandi fellow travellers.
The issue here is whether the organisers of this mosque have stuck by the laws that everybody here in the UK has to abide by. Ms Shah has used her political affiliations and the race card in order to try and force through a planning fait accompli which is not only dodgy by local political standards but also by Islamic standards of behaviour and in doing so ordinary Muslims in this area are now exposed to potential risk and racial hatred through her actions.
Muslims who are not resident in an Islamic state are expected to abide by the laws of the country that they live in with the only caveat being that that country/state are not oppressing or killing them and that they have freedom to worship in that country/state.
The United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland currently does not have a state policy of oppressing and/or killing Muslims and Muslims in the UK have the freedom to worship without hinderance. Therefore, I state that Ms Shah and those with her have not done things correctly by local planning law and Islamic law also.
To accuse people on this forum of being EDL or fascist is not helpful. Indeed, it insults me, a British muslim who spent 5 years of my life fighting Serbian fascists who attempted genocide against muslims and others in Southern Europe during the 1990s.
Ryan, I am not having a dig mate but many people make the same mistake; in that you make a generalisation about the many civic minded people who are concerned about how the council and elected members carry out their duties and responsibilities.
If you take away the aspects of the Mosque, the religion and the culture you will be left with the facts. Someone within the council showed favour to an individual or organisation to facilitate a Planning application. Ask yourself; Is this policy?. . . . . is this correct procedure? . . . . and Would I or any other person or organisation be treated to such favour and support? . . . . . . the answer is unlikely! therefore; . . . . That person; their organisation, religion and culture were taken into account, This is called positive discrimination which is often misunderstood by people in positions to make such decisions and actions.
Having visited the Mosque I understand what they are trying to achieve but sadly their efforts are being damaged by ill thought out procedures and a lack of real community engagement in the process; creating poor understanding and misinformation.
We are all governed by the same laws and therefore subject to the same rules regulations and processes, This sort of action erodes the faith, trust and respect of those privileged to hold position and status above us and yes; some people will express their dissatisfaction in a way that may be seem excessive or even discriminant but it does not mean they are part of any organisation with a specific agenda.
I ask;
Has any mediation been offered to local residents and shop owners?
Has any real consultation been carried out with other community based organisations?
Is this an opportunity to discuss and develop a multi faith centre that could lead the way and set an example of Blackpool being a forward thinking town that is acceptant of difference?
Cohesion, Integration and Inclusion are organic in their growth; They need appropriate guidance and support, they should not be spoilt or have favour thrust upon them. Spoil one child and you build resentment from others.
Leadership?
Sorry, I can’t let that one go. An EDL demo was planned for outside the mosque last year. I personally contacted the EDL leadership and asked them not to go ahead with it since there are apparently people living on the site. The demonstration was cancelled. All of this is a matter of record. You see, Ryan, it is actually possible to reason with the EDL. It is not possible, it seems, to reason with Mrs. Shah or her Labour support group within the Town Hall.
You need to stop spouting your PC nonsense and throwing allegations of racism about if you wish to be taken seriously.
This may come as a surprise to some but I am not a fan of the EDL, however it is right that you try to keep their involvement at arms reach here because as soon as they become involved cry’s of racism will be heard everywhere and I truly believe this is not about race or religion but about planning, and doing thing correctly.
It’s not a case of keeping the EDL’s involvement at arm’s length. The EDL have NO INVOLVEMENT. They expressed an interest early on, it’s true. They were told, “Thanks, but no thanks” and they accepted that. It cannot have gone unnoticed that the EDL have carried out a number of demonstrations in Blackpool since this saga began, but have never been anywhere near the illegal mosque. Does anybody believe that’s a co-incidence? They have no interest in a dodgy, inappropriate planning application, which is all that this amounts to. Fred Jackson has been constantly making references to EDL involvement, but then he would, wouldn’t he? What better way of diverting attention from his own underhand activities.
the odious labour party created the EDL, its their legacy
You should all put yourselves in the shoes of the average British Muslim for a day and feel the discrimination that they endure and is part if their life. Sure there are some bigots amongst them but there are in every community.
We should not play the game of race to the bottom in provision of services. Many Muslims wish to go about their devotions to their god in a peaceful way. The provision of a few parking spaces in a sincere way of our council in recognising these under represented and marginalised groups are thought of and part of our democratic multi racial and cultural society.
As a democratic multi cultural society etc why should this group be treated any differently than any other race and should they also stick to the laws which make this a democratic multi cultural society? I do hope you are not advocating giving one race priority over another… isnt this racism?
I’m a British Muslim and I don’t feel discriminated against at all and I would be the first to let you know if you bloody tried!!!
Just because it’s a religion does not mean that they should be thrown the red carpet.
To be frank, it doesn’t really matter what purpose the building is; they wish to create a 1,000 capacity complex which will have regular FREE activities running all the time but only has 10 or so on-site parking spaces. It would be ludicrous if they received permission for this.
Simon Blackburn and Fred Jackson should be appalled. Another dimension is that the mosque operator is a friend of Mr Blackburn, having campaigned to get him and Mary Smith get elected back in 2003 and stood for Labour in the last local election.
The council should not be offering favours and freebies for ‘recognition’ and they are clearly embarrassed that they have been found out.
Since it is a mosque they seek to create, I argue that the parking implications are significantly worse than those of a retail business because as Tangerine Terrorist has said, male Muslims are obliged to attend prayer on Friday, which means a large influx of people all at the same time, creating parking chaos.
It’s a planning issue not a race issue. If Tesco had purchased the buildings, the objections would be ‘justified’, but because we live in a divided, minority rule, neo-leftie, PC, positive discrimination society, the people have to work harder to object because we are now fighting against PC concepts of ‘under representation’ and ethnic quotas.
On a personal note I despise this manufacturing of society by turning a blind eye to the rule book for minorities.
“On a personal note I despise this manufacturing of society by turning a blind eye to the rule book for minorities.”
Absolutely. There should not be any minorities. We are all British and should be living by the same rules with fairness for all. The concept of minorities fragments and divides our society and any muslim who supports the idea of minority politics undermines the concept of universalism in Islam and has obviously not read or understood The Constitution of Medina.
On the parking issue. Surely a sensible solution for the people wishing to use this mosque would be to park on the huge carpark up the road near Blackpool Football Club and saunter down Saville Road to the place. Not a major imposition on the worshippers.
However, until proper planning procedure has been seen to be done, it is my opinion the place should not be used as a mosque as it is not legal.
I agree, but given the parking issues currently, it is evident that they don’t really want to pay. After all, if you can park for free or pay £5, which do you do?!
If you are a true believer then £5 would not be a barrier to you going to pray. Fullstop.
No no, the point being that if you can pay £5 and walk for 5 mins or park illegally, for free, on the street/pavement/forecourt (as happens now), which do you do?
well said TT!
It makes me laugh that John Donnellon has said, “in the past we have granted special dispensation to places of worship therefore an officer felt it was only fair if the mosque was offered the same”.
The only one I can think of is St. John’s Church in the town centre. This was built in 1824, almost 100 years before the mass production of cars really got going. If the mosque was almost 200 years old, pre-dated cars and had seen all it’s access roads taken away by successive councils, I am sure it would have parking passes and nobody would care.
But they are setting it up NOW, not in 1824.
I have been trying to think how to put into words what Phil has just, eloquently written above. The reference Mrs Shah has made to the local churches and centres are unjustified as they have existed peacefully in this area for over 60/70 years I know of. The fact she wants planning passed for a building with a capacity for over 400 people with no provision for parking is not right and contravenes local planning law.
I can’t figure out where these muslims are supposed to be coming from. A mosque, like a church, is usually built where there is a community and congregation to support it.
The Revoe mosque was a case in point as there was a community of muslims with businesses, curry houses, kebab shops etc in the Central Drive area and therefore there was a need for a place for them to attend to their obligatory prayers.
Prior to getting permission and raising the money to build the current mosque these muslim worshippers prayed in a small building on Rigby Road and later the first floor of the Revoe Gym.
Has there been a sudden upsurge in muslim business activity and residential occupancy in South Shore, enough to fill a space that can hold at least 400 men on a Friday or does something smell fishy?
Perhaps the Revow mosque is getting too full and they want to expand via the back door by getting this place opened via Ms Shah and her pals. Whatever it is it doesn’t sound, look or smell good to me.
oop typo Revoe not Revow
Jeremy suggested earlier that they were coming in from East Lancs to operate businesses in South Shore.
I just cant see how that would be worth it.
He also says all the properties are owned by a Bradford resident; why would such a resident want to purchase buildings 60 miles away in order to create a mosque? Spreading the faith? Insurgency?
The properties are owned by a Nadeem Manoor. This can be verified on the Blackpool planning site on the appeal form http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/planningsearch.
They were individually purchased by the owner of Terry’s Balti House on Clifton St. He and all of his staff have since gone to ground since the Charlene Downes investigation. The CID visited my premises at the time with foto fits with all of his staff in the picture book and they asked me to identify them. FACT!
What did the CID want with the people from Terry’s Balti House? I thought it was a takeaway on Dickson Road that was the focus of the investigation.
I can’t help but feel that this Mosque issue is more about seizing business opportunities than anything else. Blackpool South Shore has been a tourist draw for Muslims for some time now -particularly the Pleasure Beach at evenings (certainly before the £5 charge and picnic ban). Historically,the town’s visitor catchment area has been about 80 miles and I suspect that this hasn’t altered much,so there is potential for a much larger Muslim tourist market.-and there are hints of intentions to tap into this with ‘Islam Saturdays’,Festivals and Illuminations etc. There are already hotels and businesses in place to service initial growth . Of course, extended visitor stay would be greatly encouraged by a Mosque facility for prayer.(A revived tourist industry perhaps -but I’m not sure how non-Muslim businesses would fare or how the Council’s vision of holidaying middle class families and cycling enthusiasts would sit with such development.) It’s only an opinion, but as there is no evidence to indicate that there really is a pressing need for a Super Mosque within the local Muslim community it’s Profit before Prophet ,as far as I’m concerned .
interesting points and quite plausable.
Cheers Harold – as I said, its just an opinion .The only certainties are that Mosque attendances are set to increase and so will the traffic congestion and disruption .To what extent is anyone’s guess and therein lies the problem. I don’t live near the area but can fully empathise with the local residents and businesses trying to exist in this chaos .
There are wider implications though.Look on the internet and most of the many reports on this opposed application include shocking references to the Mosque’s illegal operation and Muslim paedophile sex gangs /murderers running free in Blackpool.. Great fodder for the extremists, but disaster for an image -conscious holiday town and Council -and ,of course, the Muslim faith. This is one issue that won’t go away with the granting of planning permission,so expect more of the same damaging publicity.
There are many reasoned suggestions in these posts and TT is particularly rational and informed ,so I have no need to elaborate on why this proposed Mosque should be replaced with one that is of appropriate design , thoroughly planned and in a spacious edge of town location.It has been said that Council officers take note of PTO – I hope they do .
Their is a huge potential for Equality Tourism in Blackpool as can be seen by the developments on Queens street over recent years.
One of the main reasons many Muslim families only visit the South Shore area of the town is because it’s more family orientated and less tacky than central promenade and North shore has a large LGBT community.
If only the many Equality based Forums in the town got their act together through a strong Equalities forum; instead of just ticking the Councils boxes; we might see an improved return to family values and decency in the tourism market.
I once raised the potential of Equality tourism as a project to the former Chief Executive and a collection of managers at a meeting to discuss bidding for 11 million pounds from Central Government. I was left with blank looks.
Lets hope the new Chief Executive can see this potential and make some “Progress”
I am interested in your points Fred but am not sure what you mean by ‘ Equality Tourism’. What has Queen Street got to show for this Equality Tourism, or do you mean that because of the nature of the businesses in Queen Street, something there is needed.
I cannot agree with your suggestion that a reason for Muslim families sticking to South Shore is because it is ‘less tacky’. Where have you been looking? Lytham Road is dreadful and there are large areas that are either empty (Bolton Street) or full of the same tat as Central (Station Road and Bond Street). I would have thought that North Shore was a thriving example of ‘Equality Tourism’.
Maybe I have misunderstood your argument?
Just to touch on Fred’s comments.Blackpool has always adapted to take advantage of changes in social trends -yet no Council forward development plans that I have read include a potential Muslim market.The Noor-A-Madina Mosque Facebook page, however, is making an urgent appeal for funding because “Blackpool is a major tourist town and people from around the world come and visit and then find out there is not a mosque……the community is growing rapidly hence we need to make it a lot bigger……..”???
The only certainty is the intended expansion of Mosque facilities on a grand scale.What lunacy,therefore, to cram it into the Waterloo site ! – TT is right (he usually is).
I have no issue with somebody building a mosque out of piety – fair play to them and God bless them.
However, there should be a community in place that the mosque can provide support for not the other way around.
If this is for people coming into Blackpool then I would suggest that a purpose-built mosque built on the outskirts of the borough would be a better solution.
If there are a number of muslims in the Blackpool area, like myself and my family, who are not content with the racist, sexist and extremist version of Islam at the Revoe mosque then I would suggest that the sponsor or donor of the funds for a new mosque build a purpose-built mosque that is architecturally pleasing to the eye on some derelict and abandoned brownfield site in the town – the mecca site for instance – and at the same time sort out all the amenities required including sufficient parking.
There can be a case then for the mosque builders to say in their planning application that they are actually improving the local area.
Converting retail buildings on the fly and upsetting the local residents in the process is no way to proceed in creating what is, at the end of the day, a house of God and a place of prayer and spiritual contemplation.
TT,your version of Islam seems very honourable and much much more acceptable, just out of curiosity, how has this religion become so associated with hatred and intolerance,sexist,extremist etc, I am curious, any ideas?
Harold you have claimed to be a expert on Islam having read the Koran and have a in depth knowledge of the history, you have claimed that Islam is a pure evil religion, can you explain to me with your depth knowledge of the subject you didn’t know about the Wahabi sect or any other of the sects of the Islam religion?
Perhaps the religion become so associated with hatred and intolerance,sexist,extremist etc, because some people just read easy propaganda and take examples of things put on you-tube as fact rather then opinion. Much like Ryan who because people on this forum are against the mosque has just decided they are racists and did not look any deeper.
Much like TT who has decided (or so it seems) that because a totalitarian regime, who were left wing, banned the scouts then are left wing people are also against them. It does seem if you look carefully at history that all totalitarian regimes do the same and it doesn’t matter if it is political or religiously driven. These regime puts a stop to organisations which promote free thinking and independent thought.
It does seem clear that the mosque owners are trying to use political influence to get what they want. We all know this is wrong the only acceptably influence you can use in politics these days is money.
“Harold you have claimed to be a expert on Islam having read the Koran and have a in depth knowledge of the history, you have claimed that Islam is a pure evil religion, can you explain to me with your depth knowledge of the subject you didn’t know about the Wahabi sect or any other of the sects of the Islam religion”
John I have never ever claimed to be an expert on Islam.I was asking for TTS views as a European muslim, a convert, cos his interpretation was much more liberal than those other muslims he decried as being extremist.I knew about Saudi’s Al Wahab code, years ago.Do yourself a favour mate,get your facts right before spouting off at other users on this forum.
It’s not a question of left and right – Hitler also banned the scouts and the Hitler Youth was the only organisation open to children.
I agree entirely with you TT its totalitarian regimes which cause difficulties anything no matter how good if taken to extremes does nothing but harm.
Harold sorry about calling you an expert but in the past you have said you have read the Quran and have an in depth knowledge of it and have such come to the conclusion it is an evil religion. Don’t you think that perhaps the Islamic religion “is so associated with hatred and intolerance,sexist,extremist” because people like posting links to youtube about how islam is “so associated with hatred and intolerance,sexist,extremist”? Don’t get me wrong Islamic community is as much to blame because sometimes the liberals in it are to quite. But I can’t help but think when a mosque refuses to have a hate preaching loon in their doors and this hate preaching loon takes his preaching to the street out side the mosque the story isn’t about the mosque which refuses to let this man in but about the man preaching hate. To mean it just seems sometimes people just wish to look for the worst in everything “look Islam preaching hate” and not “look Islam is trying to reject these teachings”.
I think it’s more like preaching hatred in the name of Islam.
The Wahabi sect – they started back in the 18th Century and caused absolute havoc in Arabia according to chroniclers of the time until they were eventually put back in their box.
Unfortunately, we Brits put the Al-Saud family into power back in the 1920s and with them came a return of Wahabism as it was the Saudis who supported this heretical sect.
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/mecca.htm
http://www.rense.com/general29/FAHD.HTM
Here are some links but there are loads out there. I have a pdf file written by an Iraqi Army officer prior to the overethrow of Saddam who did a study on the Wahabis because of their position as an enemy – it makes interesting reading. Unfortunately it’s 13mb so I’ll get it hosted and send you the download link.
cheers TT, when I was on holiday in Egypt I mentioned whabism to a guy and he loathed them, they seem a breed apart,my own experience is that turkish muslims are much more liberal and that pakistani ones are much more like the wahabis,in fact at college one pakistani girl told me that turks werent proper muslims,lol.
Unfortunately, many, many mosques and religious schools in Pakistan (and in the UK) are funded by the Saudis therefore the Wahabis. Most if not all Imams in Saudi-funded pakistani mosques are imported. We are importing the Taliban to teach our young muslims – that is why we have the extremism we have today in the UK. It didn’t help when Zanulab went to war with chunks of the Islamic world on a false prospectus – it gave the extremists credibility in their anti-western and ant-British rantings.
Here’s another link:
http://www.meforum.org/535/saudi-arabia-and-the-rise-of-the-wahhabi-threat
That Pakistani girl probably doesn’t know her religion properly as women are not encouraged to study in the world of the Taliban and the Wahabis.
well our governments have allowed these idiots to come in,seems your views are accordance with abook called londonistan by mealanie philips, she slates the pc multi culti brigade as being responsible as we are to all celebrate diversity including wahabism, it explains why the pc liberal left are so quiet about Islamism,cos its their fault. cheers mate.
whats your views on george galloway, I can help but feel hes cosying up to Islamists?
I think hes very dangerous.
Melanie Philips is a zionist and she will use any means to portray muslims in bad light. The wahabis give her all the ammo she needs. You say that she slates the PC brigade for diversity but if anybody had the temerity to criticise the jews or Israel she’d be as spouting “anti-semite!” or “nazi” at them faster than David Cameron or Tony Blair could jump on a bandwagon.
Hi Tramstop. You were unclear about what Equality Tourism is: “Just some thoughts”
Its about making the town more accessible and more accommodating to a wider tourist group, This means targeted events that encourage a specific strand of equality group for example. The NDSE hold a sports event every year and attracts over a 1,000 disabled young athletes over a weekend bringing more that 3,000 visitors to the town; sadly they struggle to find appropriate accommodation outside of the Norbreck, many are able to tour the promenade but most just stay in the hotel due to what is provided and because their needs may not be met elsewhere. We could and should provide more of these events and encourage people to stay longer by providing additional disability events and activities.
Regarding Queen Street; there has been a marked improvement in the area by the influence of the LGBT community; Blackpool is seen as having one of the largest LGBT communities in the North of England; again we should be encouraging specialist markets and events other than just the Gay pride event once a year.
Regarding the Faith sector we have one mosque behind Revoe Gym with inadequate parking for travelling Muslims. Why not have prayer rooms or quiet rooms that can be used by visiting Muslims at the Pleasure Beach or the Zoo; maybe even an outdoor pray area at Stanley Park.
Equality tourism is about encouraging and promoting the town as an accessible place with an acceptance of difference. Its about more than “one off” days or week ends; its about our holiday providers going that step further in providing for all.
What’s the use of having accessibility toilets in locations where there are no accessible attractions or rides? How many hotels have ramps that resemble the north face of the Eiger? What? if any; equality training is undertaken by people in the private tourism industry?
I understand this is not a cheap option but it would improve the tourism offer. Search for disability friendly attractions on the internet; I found the Pleasure Beach and the Sandcastle. Not sure what they offer outside of a disability Loo because its not promoted.
Regarding North Shore. It has restricted access to wheel chairs and pram pushers to the beach for over half a mile because the lift is not operating.
Stanley park could host disability Angling competitions on a large scale with little improvements to the surroundings.
When was the first or last time anyone went on the beach in a wheel chair? Its possible in other tourist areas. I took a group of spinal injury patients Land sailing several years ago and it cost me a bit of effort and an old conveyor belt.
I could go on and on…. Hope this helps clarify my opinion of equality tourism and what it could bring to the town.
The mosque and tourism are a red herring. A muslim can pray anywhere and doesn’t require a mosque to pray in. A hotel room is just as good for a muslim to pray in as long as he/she faces in the right direction. In some places muslims pray in the street at the appointed time so therefore the opening of a mosque is not necessarily condusive to tourism.
I understand what you are saying TT, I remember delivering a workshop at Blackpool Zoo on whether to develop a multicultural festival for Blackpool. A member of Blackpool Council attended and his first question was where was the Prayer room. I told him to enquire with the Zoo staff at lunchtime for a quiet area that he could pray in, He didn’t bother; it was his way of trying to intimidate me. He spent most of his time at the meeting on the phone and contributed nothing but animosity.
There are many Muslims who work in the public sector who should be dispelling the myths about Prayer rooms but they perpetuate it as it gives a sense of power and intimidation towards their managers. This same Council worker should have been disciplined for intimidating women in the work place but it was ignored for fear of the race card being played. I enquired with the Mosque to see if he went there for prayers daily as he would always leave early. they had no recollection of him.
As a Muslim he could just as easily have sat in his chair and faced the right direction and carried out silent prayer; instead it was an unchallenged reason for leaving work early and the management are too frightened to challenge it….
The tourist aspect is in providing a collective location to raise confidence for individuals to pray in open spaces in unfamiliar environments; I believe quiet rooms are also useful in large complexes; they provide for quiet and reflective thought in addition to their potential use for praying.
You’re quite correct, TT. Islam was always a red herring, in this process. However much certain (hopefully well-meaning, but who knows?) individuals have served to muddy the waters by playing the race-card, this story is about good old-fashioned council corruption, nothing more and nothing less.
http://publicaccess.blackpool.gov.uk:90/online-applications/files/150E6774A8328C5DF94AF528F1C7F012/pdf/11_0593-NEIGHBOURS_NOTIFIED_OF_APPEAL-170130.pdf
You may find this of interest, Phil. More dodgy documentation from the Council website. I have yet to find one of the people on this list who has actually received formal notification of Mrs. Shah’s appeal. Is the Royal Mail really that inefficient?
“If they aren’t informed, they can’t object”, seems to be the methodology, here.
document now unavailable. very strange goings on, a document is mentioned on here and suddenly it disappears from council website
It is available, but you can’t link directly to these documents it seems. If you go to the planning search and find it, it’s there. I think.
Update to that. I’m now hearing from people farther afield who have received the letters. Still none in the immediate vicinity, though. Maybe it is just a postal balls-up.
Nobody on Gladstone ST has had a letter and NEITHER HAVE I, despite having a business directly next door to the proposed mosque.
There was a live appeal 6th April at 8pmon Sky Channel 828 for more funds for the mosque, i only caught the end of it basically stating there are many muslims in blackpool who attend the mosque but it is in disrepair and they need money.
I managed to pause the screen for funds, payable to Noor-A-Madina, Syed Hussain Shah Andrabi.
So they are requesting funds on an illegal basis by stating it is a legitimate fully functioning mosque.
Obviously they have to raise the money to pay off the councillors somewhere. Lol
Posted on Facebook 25/4/12 by Tassuraf Shah:
APPEAL TO SAVE THIS MASJID FROM REPOSESSION
FOR NOOR A MADINA FIRST AHLE SUNNAT MASJID IN BLACKPOOL
CALL (DONT KNOW IF I CAN POST PHONE NUMBER) OR CONTACT SISTER TASSURAF SHAH
WE NEED £260,000 TO STOP US LOSING THE MASJID
FURTHER £100,000 NEEDED FOR LAST PAYMENT.
Will keep you posted for any further similar posts.
further to my post – what are the tax liabilities needed to raise this money? Is it a registered charity?
It all seems strange.
Will it be a drain on the community, as no business rates will be paid?
It is a charity, working name is Ghousia TV.
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1143088&SubsidiaryNumber=0
FAO PHIL
I’m sure you’ve read the latest instalments in the Gazette tonight regarding the mosque. A couple of anomalies that need to be pointed out.
“Planning permission for the Waterloo Road mosque was turned down in November on the grounds of a lack of car parking, but town hall officers had recommended the scheme for approval subject to a satisfactory solution to the parking problems.”
No it wasn’t recommended, it was just refused.
“Tassuraf Shah, who runs the mosque, has always insisted she did not ask the council for free parking and is happy to pay for spaces for mosque users.”
Well who offered the free parking then? What about the emails between her and Pam Goodwin? They can all be viewed on the council planning web site.
Only in Blackpool can you hear or invent the sound bite that is “Equality Tourism.”
Who ever muttered those words should be shot!
Can you imagine saying such a phrase when describing taking a holiday in Florida, Euro Disney, Vegas etc.
We are a holiday resort full stop. There is no need to go down this ” ridiculous” road.
well said Ged, but its all part of the ‘inclusive’ PC culture brought in by the cultural marxist labour party, sadly the conservatives arent immune to this mental illness either.
The conservatives are worse as they should know better!
thats true tt, they are all scum,.lib.labs and cons.
Ged; you have a great way of dealing with topics or issues you don’t agree with; suggest the commenter be shot! If this is how you respond to people offering suggestions on supporting and developing the tourism industry; you are nothing other than an arrogant bigot.
I can expect such remarks from Harold because he is not running for council, You! on the other hand are trying to get elected into a position of trust and respect. How often will you smile at someone’s face while suggesting to others they should be shot; just because you don’t agree or understand the concept. Sounds like “me me” politics again.
*@ss#r!
Oh please. Get a grip.
I meant with a bow and arrow, the ones with the suckers on the end of the arrows!
Ged and any other prospective Candidate.
Something you all might find useful, mind you; some current members would be advised to read this and abide by it.
http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/B5D56F61-616C-408C-A258-17CA86BBF6BA/0/Part5aCodeofConductforMembers.pdf
You may also follow the link below and ask why it is blank? the reason is not a valid one, especially as Central Government are dissolving powers to local authorities. What will you do to rectify this omission? Answers probably on a postage stamp.
http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/FFA88647-68BC-478A-A8B9-52D970CE57D2/0/Part5bOfficersCodeofConduct.pdf
Happy reading.
Nice post. Based on these docs we need a full council election as they’re all bringing their positions into disrepute on a daily basis.
I note with interest that the council have posted on their website their recommendation that Mrs. Shah’s appeal be rejected. However, they have left some wriggle-room in the form of a shed-load of requirements to be fulfilled, should the people in Bristol decide to grant the appeal. Strangely, this has appeared on the last date that objections will be considered. So nobody will be able to point out to the Inspectorate the FACT that, to date, Mrs. Shah has completely ignored every requirement of the planning process and none of the legal requirements have ever been enforced. This, coupled with the fact that (contrary to the claim made on the website) at least 60% of original objectors were never even notified that the appeal was happening does not augur well for the outcome. Fingers crossed Bristol is less of a corrupt banana republic than Blackpool.
I’m one of the 60% Greg and I have had a business next door to this mess for the last 20yrs. It does make you wonder whose side the council are on???
Police car outside the property intermittently for the last 3 days. O.bviously a priority for them
While I was canvassing I spoke to residents in Haig Road who have been asking for resident parking for over 20 years, since Lytham Road has been changed they can no longer park on there without receiving parking fines. I was talking to a lady who owns donkeys and keeps the holidaymakers happy all season, she explained that when she finishes work she has to sort out the animals feed them and then do her own shopping, and all she receives is fines for parking outside her own door taking bags inside.
I witnessed a man who this lady tells me is a hotelier from the next street parking up 3 cars outside her home, she tells me he keeps 3 spaces for his hotel at all times, he leaves gaps so no one else can park. Yet the council are in no rush to help this lady or the rest of the residents, Cllr Cain said he hopes to have answers at the next PACT meeting so we will have to see, If it isn’t resolved I will have to ask if the labour councillors would be prepared to give this lady and her friends free parking permits while they make their minds up, as I think they would have more entitlement to them that the takeaway on Waterloo Road.
I note from an article in toninght’s Gazette that Police are searching for a man, wanted for urinating on ‘ a Blackpool Mosque’. The premises in question are not as I expected the Revoe building, but the Mosque on Waterloo Road, the Noor A Medina.
“Tasurraf Shah , a spokeswoman for the mosque” is very grateful to the police who have been supportive throughout.
I was under the distinct impression that planning permission had been refused. If so, why is it still being used as a mosque and why are the overworked police, who don’t have the time to investigate normal crime, wasting manpower in being “very supportive”, for someone is actively breaking the law?
As the council have closed all the loos, you have to p*ss somewhere! As the building is derelict and set for no purpose, perhaps he thought that is what it is for? No doubt the hounds will be out and someone will be arrested and charged with a Hate Crime, unlike the Nine who raped and trafficked English children for deviant and heinous reasons.
I often get people urinating outside of mine and neighbours windows and never a flash of a Blue Light. I recently had four young ladies squatting(use your own imagination) and had I taken a picture, no doubt, I would have been arrested for taking lewd and obscene photographs. Allah Be Praised I kept stumm. Kapich?
Be careful people, Mrs Shah has a hotline to the police when “muslims are being offended”! We had a cctv van parked on Waterloo Rd for a month when some person decided to glue the lock on the premises. The police have scarce resources and I do wonder how she manages to get them to act to her beck and call.
she is utter filth,simple as, aided and abetted by zanulabour filth.The only good man to enter the houses of parliament was Guy Fawkes.
Waterloo and Bloomfield will be the “new” North West ghettos for the latest crop of Asian citizens. None of the powers that be, actually live there, so in reality they do not give a fuck what happens to it.
As a Nobber, I have seen first hand how communities become divided. Retail outlets, Schools, community centres etc all become divesive entities within themselves (the very thing they aim not to be!)
Looking around the country you would have thought people would have noticed by now that multiculturalism (when ghettoised!) simply does not work. Blackpool is on the very same slippy slope where we were 20 – 30 yrs ago. Enjoy.
PNE.
Our PM David Cameron said a year ago that multicultralism had failed, yet this scum govenrment like the previous labour scum government allows 100000s of immigrants in,Christ I just want to see loads UKIP Mps, yet they turn back to fucking labour???!!!Some one has to stop this madness.
If a sizeable group of tory MPs threatened to join UKIP if Cameron didn’t give the people a vote on the EU then the party grandees would act and Cameron would be gone and coalition bollocks would be history. Trouble is the tories are cowards.
Probably. I’m not sure that the reason is because they are cowards, although that may be a part of it. I think it is because UKIP are not out there banging their drum as a viable mainstream alternative.
I don’t recall seeing a single UKIP flyer in the local elections last year. My perception is that UKIP is on the decline even though Euro-scepticism is on the up.
That said, they do have some good policies.
Cowardly is the correct term for them. Spineless as well as chinless. Regardless of UKIP’s lack of visibility in the local elections, with 80+ tory MPs defecting to them they could be the real balance of power in Westminster and change the agenda regarding an EU referendum. The thought (and threat) of that outcome would make the men in grey suits sit up and provide the voters of the UK with a proper Conservative Party. Problem is the tories are as treacherous and tribal as the Bolsheviks on the other side. The Lib Dems have been traitors to this country since the beginning of the European project and should all be hanged, drawn and quartered for High Treason (in my humble opinion hehehe ).
UKIP are by the best party out there,yes some tories should join them and even some eurosceptic labour,they are gutless.
Harold you’re talking shite. They said this about the greens when they were flavour of the month (back in the 90′s). It’s a fad, not a credible party.
Get yourself a drink.
Reallly PNE so who do you recommend?
Politicians as well? OK hang Nick Griffin too
I was thinking more like Bliar and co,but why not do the whole lot?lol
I’m making a stand.
“I will never eat curry again”
(Method in my madness)
In all my years of eating curry, purchased from many different curry establishments. I have yet to see one single Asian person queuing up for one! Therefore, logic tells me that their success is purely down to people like me and other curry monsters.
Well Allah, the honeymoons over. Chinese food is making a comeback!
I’m off for a 69.
Good. All the more curry for real men like me and others of my ilk found in Blackpool as opposed to those from a faux city up the road. BTW there has just been some research that says eating indian curry reduces the chances of contracting bowel cancer.
Thats because its not done in the traditional way, a hindu mate of mine tells me that, the indians go to East is East in Preston for their nosh.
Pne makes a basic yet valid point. Imagine if all indigenous white people vetoed going to a curry or kebab shop, as a protest to the increase of racial grooming of underage white girls by asian takeaway owners
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The shoe would definitely be on the other foot then.
the recent lot that got nailed were taxi drivers…….tip of the iceberg me thinks and they arent asian,they are pakistani muslims, bar one afghan muslim.
I don’t care where the fuckers come from, they should hang.
indeed TT, but the PC police/authorities have glossed over this problem,this was going on yaers ago and the BNP’s Nick griffin was put on trial for talking about this very problem, hang them, but throw in police chiefs,politicains etc
Politicians as well? OK hang Nick Griffin too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-18049227
I remember this piss reaking scrounging toad on TV,Politts take note.
heres another!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-18056504
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Blackpool are at Wembly for the second time in 3 years and not a fucking whisper on this forum and horror of fucking horrors, you seem more interested in what a pie-munching, six-fingered genetically mutated T’Rovers fan who’s usurped our townhall has to say although it’s all lies and dogshit propaganda. Further, you now allow the pondlife from Fort Apache up the road (Deepdale – surrounded by indians get it?
) to post on this forum. Bollocks! All strange and peculiar folk start at Freckleton and Kirkham and should be encouraged towards euthanasia at every opportunity, don’t even take me as far as that shithole that is Preston with it’s multitudes of female ninjas although some of the white specimens of what passes for the female of the species in the Preston area need to be forced to wear burkas (On telly. Burnley V Preston – ugly fat bird in the crowd tearing up her match programme – I rest my case!).
Shameful!!!!!!
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lol TT do an article please, you show great rant talent Sir!
If anyone cares to look on the council’s website you will see an interesting phenomenon has occurred.
http://publicaccess.blackpool.gov.uk:90/online-applications/files/2DA5530B1F1F7A448E7B16E521691EC9/pdf/11_0593-LETTER-171991.pdf
The people at Bristol, who are impartially (sic) considering Mrs. Shah’s appeal have forwarded third-party correspondence to Blackpool for their final comments. There are no less than five (5) copies of the exact same letter from one person in support of the appeal (i.e. who wants the illegal mosque to be permitted to operate). The vast majority of the other support letters are obviously generic copies as the wording is identical on each one. All have the word ‘Blackpool’ below the address but most are from out-of-town. None of the letters address the traffic/parking issues which are the only grounds which can legally be considered, yet they are presented for consideration. At the end are the letters from objectors. Only one each of these, obviously. All mention the parking and traffic concerns and are valid objections. They are relatively few in number, but then most of the original objectors were never notified that an appeal was underway. The council did not send out the letters. One neighbouring business owner had her letter of objection returned unread from Bristol as it arrived after the deadline. SHE WAS NEVER AWARE OF THE DEADLINE BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDN’T POST ANYTHING ON ITS WEBSITE UNTIL THE DATE OF THE DEADLINE!! This case stinks like the rotting corpse of democracy.
Shame on the council and shame on Mrs. Shah! Time the residents around Waterloo organised themselves properly and stopped paying their council tax and business rates en masse.
Who is the council person responsible for this injustice?
It’s that dickhead Tony Leech! and Paddy, Murphy, Shamus O’Hara.
The residents of Gladstone Street can’t stand either of them as they have no spine!
When Tony Leech tries to say the word Muslim he develops a kind of stutter that sounds like an old Hillman-Imp starting up Mmmmmmm, Mmmmmmmm Muslim.
As for the wee leprechaun. Well he’s just a feckin eeeediot. To be sure, to be sure.
(Disclaimer) I wish to cause ‘no’ offence to Hillman-imps or leprechauns.
I am sure this would amount to maladministration if the ombudsman was notified of the failures in the process if true?
I would also assume if the Planning Inspectorate were made aware that original objectors were not notified of the appeal then this would have to be taken into account with them being given a chance to make representations.
Has anyone requested a response from the Local Authority?
http://www.derbygripe.co.uk/scroung2.htm
great link!
I hope the planning inspectorate take note that MOST of the people who have filled in “Mrs Shahs Form” are not from Blackpool and she duly begins educational lessons in the art of writing and speaking the English language. Now that would be a start to “multiculturalism” and an all “inclusive” society she so actively promotes.